chronic long NW's after illness and failed reflux meds wean

[EloysH]

OK so today he woke at 5am, last  night NW 2-4am. No pain meds. We think it was discomfort related.
Today napped 11am- 12:30pm.  He hwas hurrendously OT all day and cranky pants.  Very dribbly all day, went through 4 bibs and 2 t-shirts.  No visible  signs of teeth though.

Bedtime was 7pm he went straight to sleep, gave neurofen at 6:30pm.

I am bracing myself for tonight.

He did 6 poos in total today, all small and good consistency, no mucus, but, 6 poos???  He has been doing 4 = poos per day for about a week now. If its not the yoghurt then I really have no idea.  Today was the first day I didn't give the yoghurt.

Feeling pretty low tonight.  I am bracing myself for NW, not sure how i will handle taking care of the kids tomorrow if he NW's again?
Anyway off to bed. 

[aidenmc]

Hope your night wasn't too bad Eloise. 

[my3girlsjde]

{{{Hugs}}} if it is the yogurt, it may take a day or two to work out of his system.

Really hope your night is going better than predicted.

[EloysH]

ok sttn 7pm - 5am.

So back to square 1 with moving the day forward. Trying for 11am nap or later today.

  I really hope that he stops NW'ing so we can get somewhere with this.  I am so sick of 5am 

[my3girlsjde]

I bet. I've got nothing but {{{hugs}}} now as I'm back to cuddling E to sleep while laying over the crib rail we'll get there.

[aidenmc]

At least it wasn't 4:41  which is what we had this morning. Do you suspect any OT? Just wondering what time he would wake with a 6:30 BT.

[EloysH]

I think he is OT. The last few times over the last few weeks we have done 6:30pm bedtime he wakes around 4:30am instead, it's ridiculous!

k, so GREAT to see you are pushing nap back as that is exactly what i was going to suggest. i think you may need to look at a nap window. ie. so u r aiming for a midday nap, then earliest possible nap before that is 11.30am, NO MATTER what ridiculous time he wakes up in the morning. i think u need to spend a good week (or 2 or 3) really setting his bodyclock for naptime and bedtime to within no more than 30mins variance, and that will hopefully then reset wake up too. the other thing i would start looking at in order to move wake up time is to look at what time he has breakfast and start a 'not before' time with that too to get his tummy on the clock also.  

This is what I am trying to do.

Today we had
5am wake up
12pm - 1:30pm nap
7pm bedtime

OK and now a really STRANGE thing happened at bedtime. I put him down in the cot after stories, he whinged for a cuddle,held himfor about 2 mins put him back down, he went down happily.  Put my hand on his backl and held it there for about 2 mins. then this is what happened - alittle hand came out from under the covers and moved my hand away   I stood there dumbfounded for a mintue or two, then resigned to leaving the room  

I am praying for a sttn, he haven't had two in a row for a while.

He did 3 poos today and off Sheeps yoghurt for the second day now.  Actually he has been dairy free for two days now. So definantly an improvement in the poo dept,letshopeit helps the nW's. He is hardly doing any fluffs during the day too, before he was fluffing and then doing a poo here and there.  

[my3girlsjde]

Oh I hope you get the sttn tonight xx

That hand was too cute.

[aidenmc]

Ditto on the sttn, and the hand  .

[EloysH]

well he sttn again 7-5am     

He is dribbling up a storm today and fighting his nap still at 12pm.
  Only one poo so far, but this time with mucus.  Interesting.

Ireally hope I can start to move that bedtime back a little, now that the nap is later.

He was very hungry at 6am, I had to feed him breakfast, but I hope to make him wait till 6:30am soon.

[huntersmummyinoz]

hi hun, so since we are aiming for a 10hr+ night, eventually we've got to bump bedtime to 8pm. before we get there tho, how do you think would be best to break up his 14hr day?? ie. he is good for 1.5hr nap, so what A time before and after do you want to shoot for?  do u think he'd be ok on this:
wake 6
nap 1 - 2.30
bedtime 8
*that's just 1hr later than routine you described, but do u think 7hr morning A is too long, would it be better with a nap at say 12.30 instead? how long is he good for on a 5am waking without falling apart atm?

can u get gp or paed to do a stool test? look for presence of white/red cells. that's what they always test for with K when having diarhea or mucousy poops as it's a food reaction indicator. could be worth confirmation?

does he drool like that with teeth only? or has he done it with reflux flares or food reactions?

[EloysH]

Gosh Kirry those A times sound hurrendously long when written down, but that's what he's doing, it's ridiculous!

good point about the test. I will get as sample next poo and see if I can get an appointment with someone! Although it might be too late by tomorrow if his poo has cleared up. I think I need to wait for the next time I ut him back on dairy, I will be going back to buffalo yoghurt and the raw goat milk again and redo those when we can cut a break.

Well it must be teething, he didn't take his nap at all today    This has never happened to me with Jarrah, have any of you had to deal with this? I have been trying on and off for 4 hours, I have given up. His eyes are so red, he is in a daze, ottering around at the moment.  I am very scared about what dinner time will bring and how early do I need to get him down and will that mean starting the day at 3am   

I am mentally exhausted,a the TV is on, it is on 3:30pm and both kids infront of it 

He is refluxing like crazy by the way.  Although it is not causing him any pain, he's not complaining about that part of it.  He must have zero acid, thank goodness. He is just doing really big wet burps and refluxing away.  I guess its a teething flare? I haven't seen his reflux flare with a food reaction.  The mucus nappy could just be teething.   Does Kingstons reflux flare with the food reactions these days?

[huntersmummyinoz]

aw huge hugs hun, wow on the no nap day!! H didnt do one of those til he was 2!! is there anywhere else he will nap these days (however short) other than the cot??

poor teething little kai remember pain meds 30mins before nap tomorrow. i'd prob do a mid morning dose plus a before nap dose (switch panadol and nurofin) if he's done a no nap day. how did bedtime go? kingston is a mess today too, random tantrums and just generally a cranky bum all day, he had 5 doses of pain meds today  as nothing i did would settle him. even at the park (usually number 1 distraction) he just kept throwing himself on the ground and crying and tantruming so we left after 15 mins... bet i get a sals reaction from that soon

pretty sure he had refluxing during glutamates challenge plus came out in a rash, BUT he was teething and got a runny nose the next day (so that could have caused excessive swallowing from trickles down back of throat). i'm pretty sure he failed but as per usual not conclusive enuf so will have to retry he was doing some nw refluxing during the major sals reaction he had a few mths ago too but the main issue is diarhea and mucousy poop.

more hugs hun and when you get a spare minute (yeah right  ) peek back at Qs in my pp. as once u can answer those i can come up with a 2-4 week plan for you to get him waking later. will J be fine with K going to bed after him??

[huntersmummyinoz]

oh and have u managed to lock in some more consistent times for meals, snacks, etc. as yet? and do you want me to try and line up K and J's routines as much as possible?? (if so will need J's rest and snack, meal times too) 

it's pretty much this idea by the way if you want to do it
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=161834.0

[EloysH]

oh yes a routine Kirry that would be fantastic

J would be ok with K going to bed earlier.

I tried to get K to nap in the car today (after I swore at himfor not sleeping), I went for a 30 min drive, but everytime he started to feel sleepy he fought it and started thrashing about and crying. He doesn't know how to sleep in the car (yet).  The sling is out of the question now, so really it is my arms or the cot.    I will keep trying the car intermittently though.


 

before we get there tho, how do you think would be best to break up his 14hr day?? ie. he is good for 1.5hr nap, so what A time before and after do you want to shoot for?

Since I have preschool pick ups,  (3 days a week starting soon) he needs to be woken and fed lunch by 2:45pm at the latest, (need 20 mins at the least for lunch) so 12 or 12:30pm nap would be betterthat would allow for a longer than 1.5 hour nap if he wants too.  At the moment he can last to 11am ok.  11:30 is a stretch, he hacks it, but is very tired.   He is pretty good with long A times on either end, but I would say better with a longer PM A time, as that is what he is used to.

I hear you on the pain meds.  He actually came good with a second dose of neurofen tonight only 4 hours after the last.  I will certainly do it by the book tomorrow with alternating both as frequently as I can... I was pretty darn desperate and so shocked that he STILL was too unsettled to sleep at all so I gave the second dose before bed within allocated timeframe  

Snacks and meals: Jarrah is flexible for every meal reallly, his appetite is pretty small at the moment, mid morning snack seems to be hungriest.  Kai still needs a split lunch he is starving all the time.  I think he is trying to put back on the weight he lost when he was sick.   Jarrahs rest time can be anytime between 12:30pm -2:30pm for 45mins. Any earlier and he is truly not ready.

ok I will look at that link now,  thanks   I do remember it from the Jarrah days - 15mins increments right?  What I find haerd is what to for adjustment if he has had major NW's the night before.