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Night and naptime struggles and all around lack of sleep
« on: May 28, 2011, 04:30:35 am »
Hi ladies!  Thanks in advance for being willing to help.

My daughter just turned 2. We've always had problems with her being able to fall asleep at a decent time and getting the amount of sleep she needs. She had a lot of medical issues since birth and just recently had one of her kidneys removed in October. Now, she is fully recovered and doing great. She's still underweight (3%tile). We know her being tiny has a lot to do with her past medical problems. But, we also wonder if it is the lack of sleep that keeps her from gaining like she needs to (ie, burning more calories while awake)

DD transitioned to her own bed very easily. But, I still need to lie with her until she falls asleep. After finally getting her to sleep, she'll sleep fine until the morning.

She got stuck in this mode where she stays awake for 6 hrs before falling asleep. We've not been able to shake her from this. We've tried over and over to get her down at consistent times for naps and nighttime. But, no matter how we stick to schedule, she will stay awake until those 6 hrs have passed. It is almost always to the minute.  Her naps last anywhere from 1.5 to 3 hours. We can rarely get her to sleep before 9:00pm.  She has a nightly routine of bath, bedtime stories, milk and cuddles. But then, all she does is talk excessively and shift, wiggle and move herself around in the bed constantly. She is extremely hyper and won't stay still for more than 2 or 3 seconds (I've timed it).  She is not normally a hyper child. This only occurs when it is time for bed.

She has been getting from 10.5 to 11.5 hrs of sleep a day total and sometimes only 8-9 hours at night. I don't feel like it is enough sleep for her. And, I think the hyperactivity is because she is overly tired. 

What in the world do I do? I feel like I've read so many articles on this and just about everything we've tried doesn't seem to work. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

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Re: Night and naptime struggles and all around lack of sleep
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 08:58:54 am »
could you post her routine even if it is only a rough one. At this age I would think the long naps will be contributing to the short nights and the difficulty settling. I think it would be better to try and shift 'most' of her sleep to the night. If it were me I would cap the nap at 2 hours max even if some nights you have to bring bedtime forward a little. Post your routine and I will take a look. x




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Re: Night and naptime struggles and all around lack of sleep
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 13:43:05 pm »
Thanks! She has been shifting around her times. But, here is what she's done the last few days...

THURSDAY
7:30 wake up (9 hrs 46 min of night sleep) gets milk (Drs orders, she needs the fat and calories)
8 am - breakfast
10 am - snack and Pediasure (Drs. orders) while watching Dora
11:30 lunch
12:30 - get her in bed with milk
1:51 fell asleep after 1.5 hrs of trying
3:23 wake up (1 hr 32min nap)
3:30 snack
6:00 Dinner
7:30 bedtime routine begins
8:00 in bed with milk and mommy reads a couple of books
8:30 lights out
9:23 fell asleep


6:15 am, wake up after only 8hrs 50 min of night sleep and 10 hrs 22 min of sleep in the full 24 hr period. =(
8 am breakfast
10 am snack and Pediasure (Drs. orders) while watching Dora
11:30, lunch
12:00 get her into bed with milk
12:45 Fell asleep
2:50 woke up (slept 1 hr 56 min)
3:00 snack
5:30 dinner
6:30 start bedtime routine (we started early to see if we could get her to sleep earlier
7:00 in bed with milk and mommy reading a couple of books.
7:30 lights out
9:15 finally fell asleep after almost 2 hours of trying.

This morning she woke up at 6:24 am (9hrs, 9 min of night time sleep). So, over all she only slept 11 hrs 5 min for the full 24 hours.

Thanks for your help. I hope this is easy to understand. She gets lots of play time and we do a lot of book reading. She only gets about 1 hr a day of TV time.  Let me know if there is anything else you need to know. I sooooo appreciate your help. I worry about the amount of sleep she is getting (as well as the amount of time I get alone, since she will not fall asleep without me there with her.  So, I spend quite a few hours a day just trying to get her to sleep. It is exhausting!)  We have attempted to leave her in her room by herself, but she gets out of bed quickly and we end up having to deal with that on top of everything else. But, we will take any advice anyone has to give if it is a solution! 

All advice is welcome! Thanks!



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Re: Night and naptime struggles and all around lack of sleep
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 14:24:02 pm »
ok well the first thing I would do is set a time for getting up in the morning that suits you whether that is 6.30am, 7am, 7.30am or whatever. I would then try a Gro-Clock or similar. We introduced one for my son at 22 months and he knows that he cannot get up until the sunshine comes up. It does not mean he always goes back to sleep but it does regulate the day and helps him to understand why we are not going in to him as soon as he wakes.
I would then try a set nap time of about 6 hours after waking in the am so from looking at your routine if 6.15-6.30am is her usual wake time then aim for nap around 12.30pm. Try and keep it to this time for a few days to see if helps. With my son at this age I tried to make sure he was up at around the same time each day and then it was easy to put him down at the same time for his nap and that regularity helped a lot. Make sure she has lunch before and a nice quiet wind down - I know what it is like as my lo is very spirited but he now knows that after lunch it is books and bed.
Whether you let her nap for 1.5 or 2 hours is up to you as all toddlers are different. At this age my lo was having 1.5 hours. If she is waking happy and seems ok I would probably stick with that and really try to bring bedtime forward as her days are pretty long.
So the day might look like this...
A - 6.30am
Nap - 12.30pm-2pm
I would then aim to have her in bed and asleep by 7.30pm so maybe start your bedtime routine at 6.30pm.

If she is getting out of bed have you tried a stair gate at the door? Have you tried talking to her but not actually going back to her - I am wondering whether the settling becomes a bit of a game and then she gets OT.

The other possibility of course is that she is a low sleep needs lo who may actually do better with the nap cut right back and a much earlier bedtime but I think it is worth trying to get her up at the same time each day and to regulate nap time and length first to see if it helps at all.

You may want to consider how you are going to encourage her to sleep independently too. Have you used GW or WIWO before with her?
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Re: Night and naptime struggles and all around lack of sleep
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 21:37:53 pm »
Thanks a lot for your help, Becky. The last few days I've been implementing some new things and it has helped tremendously. After lights out, she's been falling asleep after about 20-30 min, which is a huge improvement after 2-3 hours!  Something you said struck a chord with me, and that was about how they can start making sleep time play time.  So, we've started having "whisper time" the hour before she should be asleep. I read to her in a light voice. I haven't been letting her hold the books or letting her sit up. She lies on the pillow and just listens, and if she wants to say anything, I remind her to whisper. It has been such a sweet time together and she is loving it. She also doesn't have much opportunity to get hyper and she really doesn't want to because she's getting such personal attention.

The next thing I'm going to try is the toddler clock. They look perfect for us and I just know she'll grab the concept quickly. Thanks again! It has helped soooo much!  (hugs)