Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????

[babybarr]

Nope never refused nap and was still napping at 11.30am !  Moved nap back a bit made no difference.  He was just taking longer to settle at bed and still having NWs etc.

I think you have 2 choices - longer earlier nap OR trial nap cut / no nap and early bed.

[Grants]

See. This is the same with M, he doesn't refuse his naps but he is taking ages to settle at BT. Like today for example we tried to put him down earlier. Dh Entered the room at 6:50pm it's now 7:40pm and he is still awake. There was a time,when he was younger ,that he would accept earlier BTs to catch up for lost sleep and 2-1 transition. But he can handle his A times much better now so it's impossible to have early or even normal BT time

What about shorter naps ? Have you tried those ? I thought O was a bit older than M (2.5 YO)when you tried no nap?

[babybarr]

Yes he was but I did try it around 18mths as well in desperation!  Like I said the no nap worked for about a week.  We didn't really do nap cuts - just now do car naps or whatever.

I'm really not convinced he's UT though   Although easy for me to say I know.  How about trying a 30min nap and 7pm bedtime.

[huby]

I have a low sleep needs LO and she takes a one hr nap and does an 8 or 7.45 bedtime with a post 7 am wake up. I did try a nap cut recently n it worked. If she takes anything more she chronically ew s and takes ages to settle at bedtime x

[Grants]

Why don't you think he is UT Laura ? Wendy also says the same. Lol seriously if I take into account who he is since birth plus the fact that he used to feel tired to have early BTs and now just isn't tired enough to go to sleep anymore. If he was OT long naps would sort it right?! But he only took long naps without messing his BT  when he was teething now that he not teething he just seems too rested with all the sleep,
, even 1.5 hours seems too much for him these days . Trust me on this . It's not the lack of trying to give him more sleep, I really wish he would sleep longer but is not up to me these days. All i can  do is offer but he doesn't take it.

I think I would be more inclined towards 45 or 30 mins nap like Karen suggested. I just think he can't handle no nap yet. A few months down the line might be another story but right now he won't be able to handle it . He has STTN the last 3 nights with 1.5 hours nap!!!! It's just the settling at BT which is the problem ATM hence the nap cut.

Huby , your lo seem to be doing well now . 7 am wake up time is fantastc!!!

[babybarr]

In which case Grants you have to go with your gut, I can only tell you of our experience !!

I would try the 45min nap first as it's a more natural time to wake him.  Good luck!

[Grants]

Thanks Laura. I will do it when we are both ready. I'm not with it at the moment as the allergy treatment I'm going through is affecting my hormones etc.... I will go with the flow for now until I feel better. Plus after reading Karen's comment on Wendy's thread I think we don't  have much hope with M as kids this age dont seem to catch up on sleep ???So we might just have to put up with the EWs, short nights and BT resistance  for now until he gets older ?? IDK ? We will have to see. But as long as he doesnt have NWs I think we will be able to cope.

[Mom to M&M]

"Some" kids don't tack until older - some do. Hard to say which kind M is until you try! But yes, no NWs is a good thing!

[huby]

Grants, great on no NW. Yes, my LO is doing well at the mo, but it's never totally consistent with her so Im not holding my breath, but a one hr max nap at 1-2pm and then a 8pm bedtime is working and giving so much less BT resistance than her old 1.5 hr nap and 7.30pm bedtime - in which case we had 2 hrs of bedtime struggles minimum.
Teeth did play a part, but masked by all that was a change in her sleep needs and developmentally shes changed hugely too so perhaps all in all it goes with her sleep needs changing. Some kids just need less sleep.
One thing though Grants, is that before we had the bedtime struggles we were seeing earlier and earlier wake-ups...then later BTs.
Nap refusals have only happened a few times, I can count them on one hand so that's not always a clear indicator of whether they are ready to have their nap slashed or not. I'd personally go with the struggles at bt means nap to long theory.
They can be well-rested at nap time, but then if you have a BT struggle, then take longer to fall asleep and lose valuable nighttime sleep. It takes a while for them to adjust and we had to APOP her back to sleep often in the early hours until she did.
Just a thought, I know they're all different which is why it's so bleedin' hard. Stick in there tiger, you're doing you're best. x

[koe2moe]

Grants, big hugs on feeling crappy after the treatment.  I have been very tired, too but at least i am not I'll.

Like Karen said, some kids tag on sleep at night and some can do it when they are much older, mine is such and during the chronic waking months, he was so OT all the time, very much like M that I never thought he was tired.  When he was so sleep deprived it's hard for him to tag on the sleep.  

You might ask how we got rid of the OT monster?  It wasnt until DS started getting ill a lot and he got so tired and slept more, then was he really exhausted enough to sleep longer and after illness, he could sleep a tad bit longer.  

I hope that M can sleep longer soon!

[Grants]

Thanks for sharing Huby and Koe!

Score last night = 9.5 hours night+ 2 Nws + Ew .

[huby]

Aww b*g*er, I'm sorry to hear about that. What have you decided to do?
x

[koe2moe]

Big hugs!!  Grants, you have holidays now if I understand correctly.  Why not choose a night before nursery day and try long nap and early bt?  If it doesn't help, you could catch up with some sleep during the day and back to whatever you were doing.  We were too scared to try super early bt but I got no help back then in the day at all.  What do u think?

[Grants]

What have you decided to do?

Why not choose a night before nursery day and try long nap and early bt?  If it doesn't help, you could catch up with some sleep during the day and back to whatever you were doing.  We were too scared to try super early bt but I got no help back then in the day at all.  What do u think?

I’m going with the flow Huby and Koe . I haven’t got the energy to tweak atm. I’m in the middle of a treatment which is ‘killing’ me. I’m very irritable, impatient, tired and anxious lately.  So I’m not in the frame of mind for doing a tweak and stick with it for a few days. Iykwim

M is also ill atm. He has caught a cold and has conjunctivitis as well so I’m giving him as much sleep as I can (I hope he takes it) as there is no point tweaking when he is sick. I also find it easier to put him down at BT when he is not well. BT resistance is more common when he is not sick. So long naps will be fine for now, I at least hope.

He went down for a nap at 11am this morning and I’m letting him sleep as much as he likes and BT will be at 8pm and if he feels tired before 8pm I can put him down earlier then. 

Thank you so much for all your support lovely ladies   Please continue to hold my hand. xxxx

[koe2moe]

Oh no!  Big hugs to you and M!! Xx