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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #285 on: August 31, 2011, 10:50:19 am »
None TBH. He is fine with foods. My gut feeling tells me its his temperament. He is super spirited and finds it very hard to 'switch off' . So I think it will only get better once he is able to handle the stimulation without a nap plus I will have to teach him a few relaxation techniques when he is a bit older to help him relax in the evenings.

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« Reply #286 on: September 01, 2011, 04:17:45 am »
Ok. Listen to this!!! Day 6 of 1 hour nap. Yesterday evening it took him 30 mins to fall asleep at BT. So he was asleep at 8pm. Unfortunately we didn't manage to enter his room earlier than 7:30pm as it was nursery day yesterday and he was too wound up at 7pm. He was happy and in a good mood, no melt downs just too agitated from daycare. Anyway he had a NW at 11:50pm of 1 hour and 40 mins. ( please have a look on the discipline and socialisation board as I opened a thread about him not let me in his room in the morning and at NW. He did that at the NW last night and got all wound up and had a long NW. Sorry I can't post the link as I'm on my phone).
So DH slept in his room for the whole night since 11:50pm. DS is awake since 4:50am and it's pitch black here. I mean DS is wide awake! I could hear him at 5am calling his dad really loud. DH is still in his room from 11:50 last night and now is trying to keep him quite until groclock comes on. ::)

So he slept at 8pm. Had a 1 hour 40 mins NW and is up at 4:50 am. He had a 7 hours and 10 mins night!!!   :o WTH!!!!!! Seriously I had enough of this!!!! This is not a life!!! He is 2 and his sleep is worse than a newborn!!! Sorry about the rant but I'm so fed up with it!!!!  >:( now I have no choice. I will have to let him sleep super early for his nap after the horrendous night. We are going to pick up the in laws at the airport at 9am so he will certainly fall asleep in the car. Ladies I need your support. I'm falling apart. I'm tired! I'm fed up! :(
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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #287 on: September 01, 2011, 05:35:32 am »
Here is the link ladies for you to understand the silly reason behind last night NW  ::)

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=216628.msg2308063

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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #288 on: September 01, 2011, 06:21:50 am »
(((((hugs))))) hun.  I wish I could suggest something more constructive but given he is still having shocking nights and long NWs I definitely would be trying to get him to bed earlier.  I mean even with O's long NWs we were probably giving him the opportunity to sleep up to 11.5hrs even though he would do the long NWs. 

I feel like you have two options really.  Either just let him nap and do bed at say 8pm and he'll fall asleep when he does OR just try getting rid of the nap completely and do bed by 6pm.
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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #289 on: September 01, 2011, 06:37:58 am »
 I will try letting him nap for as long as he likes today and will do an early BT. He will sleep in the car going to the airport. I know he will. So it will be early like 9am so I think we will still manage a 6:30 or 7 pm BT because the nap will be early.  This is just today’s plan because of the shocking night. Last night was impossible to put him down early he was so blooming energetic that we only managed to get him into his room at 7:30pm. I honestly don’t think he can manage without a nap, otherwise I would do it. Trust me if I could I would :(

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« Reply #290 on: September 01, 2011, 06:42:28 am »
Then I would def go for a nap and just do a late bedtime.  I think his happiness (and yours) has to be paramount.  If you speak to Koe this is what she did (maybe still does) her LO has a nap and like a 9pm bedtime.
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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #291 on: September 01, 2011, 06:53:10 am »
Oh no! I couldn't do late BT on a daily basis. I'd rather cut his nap for sure. I'm fixing last night with an early long nap and BT as early as I can(perhaps 7pm. I will have to play it by ear). But after today I plan to go back to 1 hour nap. If it doesn't work it will be 45 mins then. It has only been 6 days so I'm hoping it will get better? I normally like to try at least 10 or 14 days to be sure if it worked or not. Fingers crossed! 

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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #292 on: September 01, 2011, 10:29:19 am »
Sorry just to go back to foods..... you got him checked by your NAET practiioner... did anything show up?  Even though I know some are not allergies that have manifested yet I just wonder if there is a food sensitivity, given you have allergies yourself?  What I am also wondering is, has he always been a touchy sleeper and prone to NW?  Or is this just something recent?  If he has always had troubles with sleep I would really be looking closely at food intolerance.

If anything is "off" for Kai woith foods, he NW's and when things are getting bad with foods he Nw's then Ew's on the same day, then has 1-2 good days then back to looong Nw's again.       I know the night waking is the single most biggest symptom for food intolerances, followed by irritability and ADHD behaviour (this is for the toddler/child).

Anyway, feel free to pop me back in my box if this really is barking up the wrong angle.  ;)

 I am thiniking that if this is related to anything other than routine and OT then you won't see any results soon,and I hate to see others going through the wringer!

Unless it is truly just a horrible long drawn out nap dropping phase.  :-\ :-\
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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #293 on: September 01, 2011, 12:03:14 pm »
Grants you think you'd rather cut his nap but that's not all that fun either.  Whilst we are not getting NW (and I do agree that's no life) we have a chronically tired Spirited kid. 

I agree with Eloys in that this has been going on so long.  What does your practitioner say about the NW? 
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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #294 on: September 01, 2011, 19:02:30 pm »
Thanks for posting Eloise. I don’t mind it at all. I appreciate all comments :) You have a point about intolerances/allergies. I have wondered this many times myself. I even had a food journal going on for a few weeks just to see if I could find a connection. But I didn’t find anything. He had good and bad nights even though he was on the same foods. I also cut dairy for a few weeks to try and sort out the eczema. And being dairy free didn’t make a difference for the eczema and the NWs.

I just wonder if there is a food sensitivity, given you have allergies yourself?

I have never had allergies/intolerances to foods.DH and I have always been very good sleepers as babies and toddlers. My allergies are to medications only. It started in 2007 after I took some tablets for migraine.  I was fine for all meds before 2007. 

you got him checked by your NAET practiioner... did anything show up?  Even though I know some are not allergies that have manifested yet

DS is still having the NAET treatment. He has already been tested and cleared for all the basic foods. We still need to test a few food phenomes. BTW is Salicylates a food phenome?  Could you please give me some examples of foods which contain it? All the food allergens have been tested more in relation to the eczema but once it’s treated it might also help with the NWs? On the sleep front he was tested for various things and was found weak for Melatonin, Serotonin, Dopamine, Cortisol and Cortisone.He was treated for Cortisol  and Cortisone last Friday, tomorrow I will find out if he still needs a booster for it. He was also found to be weak in one other thing sleep related but I can’t remember what it is and I forgot my treatment sheet in my practitioner’s office. 

What I am also wondering is, has he always been a touchy sleeper and prone to NW?


I will tell you a bit of M’s story. M has never been interested in sleep. He was very alert as a baby and would not nap much. I found out about BW when he was around 4.5 months old. It took me just over a month to get him on an EASY and he STTN from around 5.5 months until around 9 months.So he had 3 months  in his life of good sleep but he has always had EW even when he was STTN. EW is his natural rhythm so I don’t think we can change it much. He had his first tooth at around 9 months which also makes me wonder if his NWs are related to teething. He could be very sensitive to the tooth moving under the gums which means he will have bad nights until all of them come through???? IDK. It is just another theory. Lol


I know the night waking is the single most biggest symptom for food intolerances, followed by irritability and ADHD behaviour (this is for the toddler/child).

He def doesn’t have ADHD. He is very spirited and needs to channel his energy but he def doesn’t have it. I say it with certainty as Psychology is my passion and it will be my profession as soon as I get my doctorate. There is a major debate in Psychology and Psychiatry about ADHD. Many professionals question the existence of this disorder. Some even argue that it doesn’t even exist. Although I do know about both sides of the debate I tend to lean toward the idea that ADHD is a social construct. Some kids might have it but nowehere near the amount of kids that have been diagnosed with it.My guess is that loads of spirited and gifted children are probably diagnosed with it as the parents might not know how to channel/deal with their energy and brightness. The pharmaceutical industry makes billions with Ritalin in the US and UK. Now they are trying to ‘create’ ADHD for adults. Most of the new scientific papers are focused on ADHD in adults. Anyway… I could go on for ages about this. lol :P But I will just leave it as DS def doesn’t have ADHD. He does have a lot of traits associated with it but we work with those traits and not against them, eg: not trying to keep him still when he is a very energetic child and needs stimulation, iykwim?!   

I’m not sure what you mean about irritability though. Could you please elaborate a bit more on that as I would love to explore that further?

Grants you think you'd rather cut his nap but that's not all that fun either.  Whilst we are not getting NW (and I do agree that's no life) we have a chronically tired Spirited kid.

I know... but something has got give and I’m not willing to have very late BTs as this is the only time I have for myself and DH.

I agree with Eloys in that this has been going on so long.  What does your practitioner say about the NW?

We are still treating and she is testing him on different things for his sleep .


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Re: Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????
« Reply #295 on: September 01, 2011, 19:04:34 pm »
I forgot to mention that DS had an early nap today (9am to 11am)after the horrible 7 hours night and BT was at 6:20pm. Hoping for a good night!! Fingers crossed!

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« Reply #296 on: September 01, 2011, 19:53:12 pm »
7 h night???  I am so sorry.  Fingers crossed for M's sleep tonight!



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« Reply #297 on: September 01, 2011, 19:55:06 pm »
I know! How bad is that?! :(

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« Reply #298 on: September 01, 2011, 19:56:48 pm »
Just seeing your update....{{Hugs}}!

Is there any difference at all to his sleep if you give meds (just thinking if teeth are in part to blame)?
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« Reply #299 on: September 01, 2011, 19:58:26 pm »
It sucks :(  I wonder if you should let him nap longer than 1h on nursery day as you can't get early bt and it seems like it was OT last night.  I wish I had a magic wand to solve all these problems!!!  Hugsss