Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????

[Grants]

Not sure Sian. He has just had his 4 canines so I assumed that he doesn't need meds for now as I don't think his molars are cutting yet but it could still be bothering him under the gums though but what can I do for that? I can't give him meds for months until
the molars decide to come through 

Koe, I don't know if I want to go back to longer naps??? Last night I don't think it was OT He has this thing ATM about not wanting me in his room and because I went in to sort out his blanket he went mad and was wide awake for ages I put a link of the other thread about this behaviour issue a few posts back.

[sianie]

Those last molars are tricky as they take so long to come through & move around in the gums a lot before you can see anything coming through 

[Shiv52]

Hello!!!

{{{hugs}}} on the tough sleep journey you are on xx

Had a random thought coming from your other thread and then after reading here.  

I wondered do you think you need to teach M to settle independently?  we did used to sit with M until she was asleep but it got to the point when she was about 18 months where it was just too much stimulation for her and it would just help her fight sleep even more or stop her going back to sleep in the morning.  I also wondered if this is going to be M's sleeping pattern for the next while would it be best to teach him that this is nighttime and you just stay in bed until the sun comes on and mummy and daddy stay in their bed.  

I just wondered with the bedtime carry on you are getting with you not being able to settle him without DH and the fact you have to go in and sit with him until the clock changesin the morning is just too much stimulating for him and gives him a reason to stay awake?   And if you took a different tack and worked on independent settling he may very well get to the stage where he'll wake, see its not time to get up and go back to sleep?    

Please excuse me if this is totally not even an issue but just it was a random thought!

[Grants]

It's not looking good it's 21:40 and DS has already complained twice DH said that perhaps I should move into the lounge as I didnt have a nap this afternoon ( DH is off work this week and had a nap this afternoon) and he could sleep in our bed with DS. It's hard to sleep on the floor in DS's room so we will try to get him to sleep in our bed tonight so DH can at least have a better night. Let's see if it will work . DS doesn't settle in our bed. He just doesn't like to sleep on it

[Grants]

I have just seen your reply Shiv. Thanks for jumping in
I know what you mean. We don't have to sit with him to wait for the clock. We used to when he was younger but now he will wait for it. He complains but he waits though. He normally wakes up at 5:30 and clock is set for 5:50am. When he wakes up earlier then 5:30 he complains quite a lot as he doesn't like to stay in his cot for too long. But we don't come in before the clock even if he is complaining. DH did it this morning because he was already sleeping in his room and DS woke up too early 4:30

Re: BT. It's hard to not stay with him. We have tried a 5 day course of WI/WO and it was awful! DS would scream the whole 5 days for 1.5 hour. DH gave up after 5 days and then we decided to stay with him and it took a whole week for DS to wanting to go into the cot again. He was truly traumatised by the whole WI/WO experience. GW also doesn't work as he doesn't relax, constantly watching to see if we are going to sneak out 
 

[Grants]

Btw he has never ever fallen asleep again if the clock is off. Once he is awake he is up and that is it. He is the only unsuccessful story for the groclock

[Shiv52]

Sorry i picked that up wrong about the clock earlier in the thread.  I thought you went in but didn't get him out until the clock changed.  But its a non issue though if he does just stay in bed and you in yours.  

Its a pity about the bedtime though.  Although I can see how difficult it is.  I just think a later bedtime of 8pm would be workable if you could just plonk him in bed and then have time to yourself but its hard it you then have to stay.   How long does he usually take to settle?  What age was he when you did the WI/WO?  How is his understanding now?  

[Grants]

He takes between 10-20 mins. When he is very agitated from nursery can take up to 30 mins. But this is with DH though with me can take longer, almost 1 hour He finds it very hard to switch off at BT, even now on shorter naps he still takes the same amount of time to fall asleep

I think the WI /WO trial was 3 months ago. He def has a better understanding now. But I would rather try again in a few weeks time as there is too much going on in his little world right now. He is going through a GS, he is moving rooms at nursery next Tuesday and I'm also cutting his nap right now. So if we are going to try the WI/WO again I would rather wait a few weeks.

[Shiv52]

Well 10-20 minutes isn't too bad. 

{{{hugs}}}

I'll keep following along incase I have any thoughts about your routine xx

[Tweakster]

He is the only unsuccessful story for the groclock Sad

Sorry my kid claims that title

You know DH and I do bedtime together almost every night, I think it does seem to help.

[Grants]

Thanks Shiv  I didn't think 20 mins was bad either. But ladies in here have they kids asleep in 5 mins. So i thought DS was taking too long. I suppose they are all different.

I didn't know the groclock didn't work for F Wendy? It used to? Doesn't it do the trick anymore? BTW I LOVE your new avi! It is hilarious!!! 

We have tried doing BT together but it's even worse that way. He gets too wound up with both of us in the room. He asks to have both of us in there most nights but just because he wants to take the mick So now I just go in with DH, say goodnight to the sun, give DS a kiss and leave .

We had 2 short NWs yesterday. DS slept in his cot last night but I still slept in the lounge. I finally had a full nights of sleep. It's good for me to sleep downstairs every now and again to get a full night. It's DH's turn to sleep in the lounge tonight . We agreed to take turns until DS's sleep gets a bit better. I think cutting his nap at the same time as transitioning rooms in nursery was a bad idea. I can't win

[Tweakster]

No it never 'worked' in the sense that he never went back to sleep.  It 'worked' in that we had another reason to make him wait to call us.  Started training up at 16 mths that he has to wait until sunshine is on before calling daddy (he always calls daddy in the morning and at NW - probably because he knows I'm more no nonsense, it's good cop bad cop around here it seems)

There was a period, he was having major SA and was yelling as soon as he was awake - DH calls through the door and says 'Finn call me when the sunshine is on' and again, we make him wait no matter what.

Most days now he'll wait but then start yelling 'Sunshine ON!  Daddy sunshine ON!'

I do think 20 mins to drop off is on the high end but if your kid needs that time to unwind and switch off then all you can do is build that time on.  On a good day F is asleep within 5-10 mins max.

*sigh* these kids are slowly driving us insane

Re:avatar - yes he selected wellies for the beach, was quite adamant lol It was a scorching day too.  Everyone at the park laughed - I just said 'oh he dressed himself today' lol

[Grants]

Ladies, I was thinking about trying another early BT tonight to see if he can catch up? Perhaps he is very OT but it's hard to know as he doesn't show any signs ? I'm not sure he is going to take the early BT plus I'm really scared of the long NWs. Everytime we have done a few early BTs in a row he would have long NWs . What do you think? We are back on 1 hour nap today. I was thinking about 6:30 BT again like yesterday?

[Tweakster]

As you know, we get no signs either so I always say 'it can't hurt to try it'.  Especially since I really don't see how things could get much worse in your case...but I do get what you are saying about long NW.  I wish there was a straightforward answer, but I've been looking for nearly 30 mths and coming up pretty darn blank lol

[Grants]

Do you think having every other day of early BT would work better instead of a few in a row? I have never tried that one before as I prefer to keep all days the same just in case his already messed up body clock gets even worse .