Nws + EWs + short nights are back.What do I do with this kid????

[Grants]

Thanks you for your input KDee. How bad are your los’ nights? Do they have horrible and constant NWs independently of routine change? Are your NWs sorted now?

The thread has developed to a different discussion.I also had other threads in the past. Our issue seems to be more than only a routine issue. It has been going on for too long and I have BTDT thinking that the longer nap would mess up the night. I think there is an underlying issue here. I just need to find it out.   

[Mom to M&M]

I do really think there is something food related going on. And since I haven't seen the greatest results in NAET IRL (those that live close to me), I do think you might have to investigate beyond that with food eliminations. Since you already tried dairy for 4 weeks maybe try wheat/gluten as it's another common problem? HUGS for the bad night...

[Kay Dee]

Apologies for butting in.

[Grants]

No problems Kdee. I'm still curious about your lo though. You didn't answer my questions are your Los sleeping better?

Karen, Did your IRL friends have food intolerances? Is that why were they treating with NAET? It's so odd that NAET doesn't work for some people ? It did wonders for me. Did you see my good news thread about it a few weeks ago ? It cured me from my Allergies. I can now take medications again. M's eczema is also so much better with the treatments.It's really strange that NAET doesn't work for some people ?

I'm not sure if I want to start an ED right now? It's like shooting in the dark. I have no clue where to start and how to start plus I also don't have a gut feeling about the culprit as M is always happy during the day? I was thinking about doing a IgG test at least I would know where to start. I started a thread on the food allergy board about the test. I'm still waiting for UK replies.

[Mom to M&M]

From what I've heard from IRL people it works better for allergies than intolerances and better for adults. But I don't have personal experience with NAET beyond that. If you can get an IgG test (and a celiac test perhaps) that would be a great start.

[Grants]

I forgot to mention that I also booked an appointment with the GP. I will try to push for a sleep study. I also have a thread on that. I'm trying everything I can ATM. I hope I can find the answer soon.

Posting at the same time.

How does the celiac test work? What does that involve?

[Mom to M&M]

They can run a blood test for celiac at the same time they do an IgG test. The IgG test would show if he has an INTOLERANCE to wheat/other grains, the celiac test would show if he actually lacks the antibodies to digest them (which is a lifelong management issue if so).

[Grants]

Thanks Karen, so the Celiac test is also done by a holistic doctor as opposed to a conventional doctor ? So I can't really ask my GP for a celiac test or can I ? Sorry for asking all these questions. I just have no clue where to start as I have no experience with this. Plus I would love to cut costs as we are broke atm doing the NAET treatments. So if the GP would do it could be a great financial help for us.

[Mom to M&M]

A regular doctor or a holistic one can run a celiac test. DD's Ped ran one for us easily when she was less than 2...

[Grants]

Ok. Thanks I will put that on my list to ask the GP.

[Grants]

Thinking about doing GW with him at BT to get him to sleep by himself again. WI/WO doesn't work at all.It really winds him up, so my only option is GW. I have tried GW before but he keeps on watching me to see if I'm going to leave the room. He doesn't relax. Any tips ladies?

[Grants]

My boy has bags under his eyes it's his birthday party today. He is so happy and jumping around helping us blow up balloons since 6am this morning. But I'm so worried about his health I don't know how long he is going to be able to handle this lack of sleep?? Im so concerned about his general health. I remembered something today: Bach's remedies. I used to take them ages ago. I will look for the children' version today.
Have anybody had success with Bach's remedies for children before ?  

[Shiv52]

Hugs Hun.

Never heard of Bachs, sorry.

With GW you would have to move through the steps quite quickly at this age.  Given M's age and temperament I would start on a chair at the door. Into bed and say your sleepy phrase then sit on the chair. I probably wouldn't say anything else from that point except your sleepy phrase but even then I wouldn't say it. Sit with your back to him and don't comment on him checking you or anything. I'd do that for a few night then move the chair out the door. Once out of sight you stay out of sight and reassure with your voice. I wouldn't do WI/WO as he'll be confused and think if you are coming back in the you may be staying KWIM?

Can I check about the gro clock? So he'll wait on his own when he wakes until the sun comes up?  But only for 10-15 minutes? So do you change the time the sun comes on accordingly to what time you think he'll wake?  I wonder should you start being stricter about it and making a set wake up time that is reasonable for you and DH? So if he can wait 15 minutes without protesting start making it 20 for a week o
then 25 until you are at a set reasonable wake up? 

From what you are saying M is happy and makes it through the day great and full of energy so at this stage I think making sure you and DH are getting proper rest is the priority and I think I would start with working on a consistent later wake up and getting him to settle independently at bedtime. Does he settle independently for naps?

Hope you all have a lovely party today and M enjoys all the fuss xx

[Grants]

Thanks for the reply Shiv. Yes we are already doing the GW. It was day 2 last evening. We did exactly how you suggested, apart from the chair . DH is standing near the door with his back to him. It's going well so far. It's a bit easier as he didn't need touch only our presence in the room. We def won't do WI/WO as it doesn't work with him . Last time we did it he would not give in even after 5 days. He screamed the house down for 1.5 hours, then developed a ' cot fear' after that. It took around a week for him to get comfortable in his room again

Yes. He does wait for the clock for about  15 mins. We have tried to length the time several times but he just gets so irritated and won't wait for long periods. So for our own sake we set the clock around his wake up time. DH and I can't take the moan and cry at that time in the morning. Plus we have to consider the neighbours

 Yes. The Groclock is set for 5:45am every day. I only change it when we have early BT. But this is very rare here. Last time we had an early BT I forgot to set the clock and oh boy! He was moaning and crying for the last 20 mins of wait. We didn't go in but it was hard work to wait through the whole drama

[firsttimemummy]

wow - this IS a long thread (thought you meant a long post!!) - will read it all once the LOs are in bed tonight ....