I have almost no choice but CIO :( can anyone give me 1 last try?

[Mama2boys]

DS2 is killing us with his lack of sleep. On any given night we are getting 4-5 NW, sometimes as long as an hr 15mins. I judt dont know what to do, its either CIO or melatonnin or a sleep doctor of sorts

We have an approx routine but since the day starts at a different time each day its not a fixed routine. Tried painkillers and no help so its not teething related. He is well and healthy otherwise. He wakes up and wants water but I think he sort of wants milk/breast but he has not had a NF for months and for a week plus now he is not even getting the 5 am feed, so we AP him till he is back to sleep then if he wakes again anytime after 6 i nurse and then we start the day.

His A times are short, approx 3.5 hrs but last A time is 4.5 hrs. And he naps poorly anything between 30 mins and 1hr 15 mins.

Yesterday was as below:

Awake at 5:15
Nap 9-9:30
Nap - 1-3 (he woke up in between but we AP'd him back)
Sleep 7:30

He is not a true independent sleeper. I need to stay in the room but not rock him etc. We have tried getting out but its really too much to take on when for over a month DH and I have not had more than 1.5hr of running sleep We are beyond exhaustion. Its now troubling DS1's sleep and he has been complaining about DS2 waking him up. If I let DS2 complain in his crib till he gets cranky in the night at a NW when I go in, he starts crying louder and throwing himself on the bed like he is ed at me for not responding.

Help of any kind will be much appreciated.
TIA

[Grants]

OMG! I'm so sorry to hear this Mukta No advice from me but I needed to send you (((((hugs)))))) after reading this.

[~inbalance~]

(((hugs))) mukta.  You know in your heart that CIO will probably not help and likely make things worse, especially with such a stubborn little guy.

Have you talked to his doctor to see if there is anything going on?  How is he doing with solids, has he outgrown his intolerances?  Eloise was saying on the BCs that they just couldn't figure K out but then cut his range of foods right back and now he is sttn, so it had something to do with his intolerances. 

I think if you are desperate and nothing is working, then there has to be something else going on, kwim?

More hugs, I will think about this for you and be back later, and I know others will be along soon to help. 

[anna*]

What about WIWO, did you try that?

[Tweakster]

Have you tried him on one nap?

[Mama2boys]

Martina, I hear you but really its affecting our work and every aspect of life

Anna: tried WIWO, for about 4 days he cried for over an he each time to a point where he wa smaking himself sick and so we failed, not him but we failed

Wendy: We have tried  odd days of 1 naps and no change in sleep, its kind of hard to control as he gets so sleepy he falls asleep eating in his chair so its hard to stretch his A time.

Today so far has been as below:

wake 6am
nap 9:40-10:50

so no way I can make it a 1 nap day...


As far as it being anything else, the doc cannot see whats wrong, he has been off meds and over reflux for ages, and we did have a bout of decent nights like mayeb 1 week about 6 weeks ago...so i know he can do it.

but he is so wretchedly stubborn! I am really without hope right now and ready to try almost anything

[ccg01]

Ugh! So sorry to hear this. Have you tried an earlier bedtime (by a half hour or so)? Can you and DH take turns, one of you sleeping in LO's room and the other with earplugs to get a decent night's sleep? Or split the night? Just trying to think of things that might at least help you and DH while you try to work through this with LO.

[shivi]

huge hugs Mutka }}}{{{

Could you try (I know TRY being the operative word here) an am catnap in the hope that it would tide him over till let;s say 1pm ish or even later, for a lovely 2 hr pm catnap....

mine did well on this from 10-11 mths ish.

So wake 6.30/7, catnap 10.30ish for anything from 45 mins right down to even 15 mins in the stroller....

nap 1-3 or 1.30-3.30 and bed at 7ish.

For us, it meant they were rested enough to get a good lunch, then have a PROPER afternoon rest so they weren't OT for the evening.

Can't imagine how you are feeling right now. I just have end of school year nonsense and going to bed late due to reports and researching studies for next year for me and I am just OVERWHELMED right now :-(((

S x

[Intransit]

Just dropping off some hugs
Hang in there xxx

[Peek-a-boo]

Sorry if I missed it, but how old is he?

[Mama2boys]

Hi Bethany, he is 14 months old.

Shivi: Happy to try the catnap project so should I wake hi up if he sleeps longer than 30mins?

ccg01, we have not tried slepeing in his room in fera that he will get use dto it, bu DH and I take turns but both of us work as wlel so its getting super hard. he does a lot as else DS2 tries to get to the boob

[Sam-n-Max's Mommy]

So sorry, Mukta . Huge (((hugs))).  The only thing I can think of is maybe making the am nap even shorter than 30 minutes? I know you said it is tough to do a 1 nap day because he falls asleep in his chair and it also didn't make a change in his night sleep.  Maybe if for the time being you give him a 15-20 min CN in the morning and then the long afternoon nap, that could help? When we transitioned to 1 nap, the NWs and EWs that we were experiencing didn't start to disappear for a little while as his body adjusted.  (We are back to EWs and some NWs here and there, but this is being caused by teeth..I think ).  Ugh. I'm sure others have better advice, but thought I'd add my experience in.  Hang in there..vibes for some good sleep coming your way.  

[Mama2boys]

Thanks Nicole. I could totally try and 20-30min cat nap enforced for the am and hope that he catche sup in the pm nap. Currently I was letting him sleep as much as he wnated because firstly he was having rubbish nights so i thought he is OT, especially as he has always been a poor napper. Even DS1 was not this bad!

[Tweakster]

If you haven't done 20 mins I would try it.  It worked for us albeit very short.  We never had many NW so don't have much sage advice there but we had EW which were just as fun as NW in an equally fun way (like sticking a fork into your temple).  At 14 mths he sounds like he's well into the transition and trying to self-regulate badly.  Teeth will not be helping, just because meds don't seem to help doesn't mean that he's not teething.  If he still has teeth to come, he's teething :-)

(((hugs mate)))

[anna*]

(((hugs))) I would still stick with WIWO rather than just doing CIO. I know it 'feels' like CIO, but little guy will know that you are still there for him and he is not abandoned.