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4 HR EASY and now NW
« on: June 25, 2011, 01:54:02 am »
I think this post is half a breastfeeding question and half an EASY question. DS has been STTN (11pm DF until 7am) consistently since about 3 mo. Sometimes he'll wake around 4, but just needs a reswaddle and paci and is good. Ever since DS started doing a 4 HR EASY, he's been waking around 4 or 5am more consistently for a feed (maybe the GS has influenced this even though it's over?). He's also eating about the same amount of time as he was on a 3/3.5 hr EASY which I thought he'd eat slightly longer, but maybe I'm mistaken.

If I try to feed him after 3.5 hrs, he's completely not interested.

Here's our EASY:

E 7
A 7-8:45 (1.75)
S 8:45-11:15 (2.5)

E 11:15
A 11:15-1:15 (2)
S 1:15-3:15 (2)

E 3:15
A 3:15-5:15 (2)
S 5:15-6 (CN)

A 6-7
E around 6:30/45
BT 7

DF 11

E anywhere between 3-5 am
« Last Edit: June 26, 2011, 14:30:48 pm by jay2yay »
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 22:14:30 pm »
So, after referencing BWSAYP, it seems the only solution is getting in more calories during the day. But how do you do that on a 4 hr easy?

A person on here suggested (in reference to something else) giving him a bottle of ebm before a feeding, and then letting him eat off the breast....would this work?
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 14:23:12 pm »
ok back again  ::)  Last night he woke again before his DF starving. He's been doing this more often as well which he never used to do either. This just dawned on me last night......perhaps it's time to start solids?


**update**

I just checked out the FAQs for starting solid foods. Just my PO, I really didn't want to start solids until at least 6 months. And DS is hardly showing any of the signs listed except that he's teething on and off and sometimes he watches me take bites of foods, but it's not like he's obsessed with it. And he definitely still has that tongue reflex when I put mylicon drops/vitamin drops in his mouth (which I know could get better after starting solids) but I just don't know.......I'm not convinced it's the root of my problem yet.
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 14:44:11 pm »
Justine how is your supply now? I know that even when my supply is fine I can't do a 4 hour easy, she just wouldn't get enough milk, particularly towards the end of the day where I haave to feed more often. Just an idea  :-\

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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 15:02:06 pm »
Well, since he seems more hungry than normal, I still feel like I'm struggling with supply, but it's definitely better than a week ago! AF is heading out of town which is why, I think. He doesn't seem so impatient and frustrated like last week, but he still seems like he wants more when it's over. And the added feedings just make me believe he's more hungry? I try to have him stay on the breast longer, but he won't. If there's nothing there, he won't just suckle.

I've consistently been pumping right after his first feed and when he goes down for his first nap.

I guess I could try going back to a 3.5 hr EASY, but how would I do that? With such long A times and 2 hr naps, it won't work out anymore. When I wake him before 2 hrs, he's miserable.

....I could try topping off before each nap, maybe?
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 15:11:15 pm »
could you try feeding him at 6 when he wakes from his CN and then again before bed? He might not take as much the second time, but it would probably be more total calories per day. Also, when you feed him at 5am, does he take a full feed? Could you get by with doing one side? And then when he's used to that, let him feed for less and less time until it's gone? Or if you think it's just habit, you could go all out and do sh/pat or pu/pd until 7. But that would be pretty hard, imo. :-\

I thought about starting solids at 4mo too, but I'm really glad I didn't. Maybe just feed him more often (twice in each Atime) for a couple days until your supply increases? Or you could pump an hour after each feed and then give him that extra in a bottle at the next feed (i'd give it after the feed so that he'd suckle as long as possible and make sure to empty you out)




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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 15:44:23 pm »
Well since going to a 4 hr easy, his last A time is only an hour, which means I usually feed him after 45 minutes from waking......I'm not sure that would work. He does take a full feed during the night and really starts to fuss after the first side until I put him on the second. I'm not sure it's habit because it's erratic...anytime between 3 and 5.

I might try feeding him before each nap for now. Pumping an hour after each feed might be hard b/c he's still awake. Plus, I really am not a fan of pumping right now. I know it doesn't make sense but it always seems the feed after I pump is always so frustrating for him.
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 16:36:27 pm »
ok two things - one, it definitely sounds like hunger, so I wouldn't recommend doing any kind of sh/pat or pu/pd.

two - yes, the pumping is frustrating b/c then he doesn't get as much as fast as he normally does. But that's the point - he's taking more out more often (well, between him and the pump) so it will only last for a day or two until your supply increases. You could try giving him the bottle first or at least an ounce or two of it before and the rest after (to cut the edge off a little). But also - and i'm not sure this would work, it's just something I've heard. You could try pumping an hour after you feed just to get the letdown. I've heard that will also help stimulate more production. And/or you could just pump til you get an ounce or two, not until you are completely empty, kwim?

Oh, and a third thing. IIWY, I wouldn't feed before a nap, I'd try feeding an hour after the first feed. That way, you are basically doing the same thing as pumping at that time, only he's doing the work instead. And then he'll be hungrier when he wakes up from his next nap, so you keep the big feeds right when he wakes up, kwim? Also, you can try pumping directly after a feed b/c that will still stimulate more production (as if you were letting him suckle longer) but won't really take milk b/c there's none there. You will also be making sure that he's emptying you out. And are you still taking fenugreek? And calcium and magnesium? And drinking lots of water?

Ok, lots of ideas, I hope something works for you!!




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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 18:00:08 pm »
has he had his growth spurt? Oliver has just finished but having feed 1am still (was 4/5am and during spurt was 1am too) ... hoping a few more nights and we will get longer in night again ...
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 18:04:58 pm »
oh and that's another thing I was thinking too but forgot to say. Milo's 4mo GS seemed to last FOREVER. It was definitely more than 3 days!!




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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2011, 18:40:13 pm »
Yes, his GS started just about right at 4 mo and seemed to last somewhere between 4-7 days. But the NW feeding never went away after.

Thank you for all the thoughts!! I think I'll try to feed him an hour after eating.....if I can and have a supply built up, I'll try giving him an oz before eating and after and see how that goes. I could try that for one feed a day and see if that makes any difference.

I am still taking all the supplements. I was only going to take calcium/magnesium from ovulation through AF, but maybe I'll just start taking it every day.
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2011, 18:49:22 pm »
Yes, his GS started just about right at 4 mo and seemed to last somewhere between 4-7 days. But the NW feeding never went away after.
oh no! That is the situation we are in just now but hoping it will pass - will let you know ...
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2011, 19:14:49 pm »
At the same time as trying to increase his feeding during the day, perhaps you can try and reduce that NF. What will happen if you shorten the feed by 5min every three nights to get rid of it? Will he fuss terribly?
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2011, 20:04:48 pm »
Ima- yes. He fusses a great deal until I switch sides. I could try to settle him after one side to see what happens, I guess.

Another pattern is he's crying/fussing after almost every feeding anyway. And it's not gas. He wants more. I offer him more and he tackles my breast but gets frustrated within 15 seconds and cries again. So I definitely think trying to give him an oz or so of ebm will help.
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Re: 4 HR EASY and now NW
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 20:14:02 pm »
I don't breast feed but have several friends who have, and they have had success with cluster feeding in the evenings.  So if he eats at 8/12/4 feed again at around 6 then again at BT.  I know that one friend in particular used EBM for one cluster feed or for the dream feed.  This allowed DH to feed and she found it helped increase am supply (her LO woke at around 3-4 ish as well to feed).

Sorry if this doesn't help :)  Hope things get better though.






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