Author Topic: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?  (Read 869 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« on: June 25, 2011, 19:48:17 pm »
Alright... I've posted before but now it's getting worse. First, it was just my son's NW's; he's 20 months old.  He's always been a pefect, scheduled sleeper. 
NOW, things have evolved to screaming before falling asleep at naptime, short naps, NW's that last for an hour or so (with me and daddy walking in BRIEFLY to TRY to calm him), and then wanting to wake again around 5:30am for the day(another scream session), but this morning he slept in a bit and woke up at 8am.  ::) Thanks for that, Trevor!

I'm 8 months pregnant with baby #4 and have not experienced this with the other 3. This "process" or developmental stage is really starting to wear on me and us.  I don't know if I should be doing something different? Should I continue with the walk in/walk out method? Do I just let him cry until he falls asleep... which is basically what he's doing now anyway, with us walking in briefly?  And with all this we are ALL irritable during the day, kind of zombie-like  :-X, not to mention my son whose lacking much needed sleep as well and is super emotional and fussy.

Our schedule USE to be as follows:

Wake 8:30
Nap 12:30- 1:30 or 2:00
Bedtime 8:30

Right now, I can't really say what the schedule is since it's all over the place.  Today he took a 40 minute nap at 1:30, after waking at 8:00am, not to mention losing an hour of sleep last night due to the NW... I am NOT looking forward to tonight or what's to come. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!

Offline ~inbalance~

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 272
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 14549
  • Location:
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 01:50:42 am »
First things first...any teething going on or anything else that may be causing discomfort?

If you can rule those out, then I think you need to stick to wiwo. 

How long has it been going on?  Do you think he senses that things are about to change with the new baby coming soon?
Em
Mama to
Mr. Personality 2008
Mr. Mischievious 2010
Little Miss Blue Eyes 2012

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 02:12:37 am »
The teething has been ruled out, nothing I can see so far.  Nothing else causing discomfort, as I can imagine, especially how he seems to do just find throughout the day. This behavior, and is currently happening as I type, has been going on for a week or so... it literally sounds as if he's being attacked! His cries are terrible and it breaks my heart. Just don't know what to do. The Wi/Wo does not seem to help....I stay in the room for about 2-3 minutes and he's just looking and waiting for me to walk out before the screaming, throwing everything out of the crib, jumping up and down, almost panicky cries...

Offline ~inbalance~

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 272
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 14549
  • Location:
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 02:19:29 am »
Sounds like SA of some sort, just need to figure out what is causing it.

Any other big changes happen lately?  Has he learned any new skills or had any leaps in language/development?  Just trying to brainstorm with you.

I've heard some moms say their LOs sleep was affected right before a new baby was due, like they sensed it somehow.  We did get some sleep disruptions with DS1 about a month before DS2 was due, very similar to what you are describing.  They sorted themselves after a few weeks but in the meantime I did wiwo to help ensure we didn't start any bad habits.
Em
Mama to
Mr. Personality 2008
Mr. Mischievious 2010
Little Miss Blue Eyes 2012

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 02:54:04 am »
hmm... weird how they sense stuff, right?  i didn't really take that into consideration, the new baby and all. could be.  between our chats, I did go into his room and just sat in the rocking chair besides his crib, didn't say a word, and he was alseep in 2 minutes. ha!  you know, this is after he'd been crying for an hour (off and on)..... so he was really sleepy. :)    this is something i don't mind doing now or in the near future, but do kids really eventually get used to mom or dad not sitting at his bedside and become independent sleepers after getting comfortable with it and using us as a prop?? thanks for taking time to brainstorm, btw.

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 19:39:03 pm »
okay, I did the sitting by him in a rocking chair again for nap today (first time was last night)... he was asleep in 10 minutes. Beginning to think that it is pure SA that he is experiencing. I'm loving these non-crying sleep times, though!!

Can this begin to be a prop for him? Am I starting something that I'll later regret?

Offline ~inbalance~

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 272
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 14549
  • Location:
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 23:02:03 pm »
I think it is ok.  You can use more of a gradual withdrawl approach where you sit until he falls asleep but start decreasing the amount of time you are in the room.  This works really well for LOs who get really worked up, and I have used it before with DS1.  :)
Em
Mama to
Mr. Personality 2008
Mr. Mischievious 2010
Little Miss Blue Eyes 2012

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 23:20:10 pm »
Oh and he does get very, very worked up! So, eventually I will leave the room when he's awake but relaxed? Scary thought! :)

Offline ~inbalance~

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 272
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 14549
  • Location:
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 23:31:30 pm »
Yep!  You work up to that point bit by bit.  Gradual withdrawl is a very slow process sometimes, it's very....gradual!  lol
Here is a link which might help explain it more:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0
Em
Mama to
Mr. Personality 2008
Mr. Mischievious 2010
Little Miss Blue Eyes 2012

Offline raquelatx

  • BW Aficionado
  • ***
  • Showing Appreciation 0
  • Posts: 113
  • Location: Austin, Texas
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 01:07:37 am »
Thanks so much for your help and advice.  I feel like the last few nights that I've done WI/WO, I've been a terrible mom.  I was not aware that I should go into the room if he was overboard and sounding like he truly needed me.... I would do WI/WO as I felt necessary, which was every 5-10 minutes and he was waaaaay overboard by then.  :/  This GW is working much better already; last night and for today's nap (no crying).  I'm pretty excited to try it tonight.  I'm glad that it's not to the extreme that I'm having to sleep with him because I don't know how well I'd do at 8 months pregnant (well, I guess my husband would take part).  I have confidence in this "GW" thing so I hope it works out... I'm so excited about it that I'm not wanting to share the responsibility with my DH yet, though.  :)  Guilty pleasure, I guess, after all that I/we've been through this past week. It was a heartbreaking, sleepless week.  It's also good to know what to expect with GW.. that it is a long "gradual" process; maybe a few weeks? Did you you try this with your LO? How long did it take before you were completely out of the room? Thanks a million!

Offline ~inbalance~

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 272
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 14549
  • Location:
Re: EW's, NW's, and SHORT NAPS... Really?... All at Once?!?!?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 01:22:08 am »
GW is definitely a gentler approach.  Just a few notes on wiwo though, first of all you can expect a lot of crying when using that method as toddlers generally don't like whatever you are trying to change.  Secondly, when you do use wiwo there is no designated waiting time to return, i.e. 5 or 10mins.  If your LO is crying desperately like they need you, then you would return right away to comfort.  It is important to know the different cries though, and what is a settling cry vs. an "I need you now" cry, kwim?  It is a very useful tool, when the time is right.

My memory is fuzzy, but we did use more of a GW approach when DS1 was teething his canines at about 15mos, as he was just beside himself and wiwo was not working (generally though it has always worked very well with him).  I was pregnant at the time too, although only about 5mos or so.  I actually spent probably a good week sleeping on a mattress on his floor (it was THAT bad :P).  Then once I removed the mattress I would sit in a chair in his room until he went to sleep.  At first it had to be a full 20mins until he was asleep, but gradually I moved closer and closer to the door, and then eventually was able to stand outside the door and soothe him with my voice.

The main point is that you want to secure trust with your LO, trust that you will be there when he needs you.  Once he starts to feel secure, you can start spending less time in there.

I can't remember how long the whole process took me exactly.  I know that things went bad in early December, and were fine again by mid January, so probably about 5/6wks in total but it wasn't horrible for that entire time.  That was the just span it took for canines to come through and then for sleep to settle down again.

We had another regression about 18/19mos (before DS2 was born) and I had to start staying in his room again, but it took less time that time around, probably because I had done it before, but also he wasn't teething that time, it was just some random SA likely due to developmental issues or sensing the baby was coming so things were about to change.

In my experience though, since DS1 has always been a good sleeper and good habits are established, he always goes back to them even after rough times.  You said your LO was a good sleeper before, so I've no doubt he will be again.  :)

Sorry for the long winded reply.  :P
Em
Mama to
Mr. Personality 2008
Mr. Mischievious 2010
Little Miss Blue Eyes 2012