Help! I think we're hitting the 2-1 transition

[clairebear79]

Hiya - sorry for not getting back to you yesterday.

Yes do what you said & do 3 days at 1h 15 to start.  The 2nd A time will need to be shortened as you start capping the AM nap, as she will be unlikely to manage the same amount of A time after a shorter nap.  My LO could do A time of around 3h 15-30 after a 1hr 15 nap, 3-3h 15 after a 1hr nap and 2h 45-3h after a 45min nap, if that gives you a rough guide.  Not to say your LO will be exactly the same as they are all different of course!!!!  Its just a case of trial & error.  Eventually you should find that the PM nap starts to lengthen out.

The idea is to keep cutting back the AM nap until she consistently gives you a good PM nap, AND she is not waking early.

We are doing the very same thing, and our AM nap is now 30mins (9.30-10) & he then does a 2.5hr A time followed by a 2hr PM nap from 12.30-2.30.  BT is 7pm (provided he slept the full 2hrs).  We are still getting EW though, so I suspect my Lo will need his AM nap cutting back to 20mins soon.

As for nursery - I would ask them if they would stick to your routine as best they can!  You are their customer, so they hopefully should be willing to meet your request.

Good luck.x

[*foxy*]

Thanks, she woke at 6.30 this morning which was great but we had 2 NW's which wasn't so great! I don't know why she woke but she settled quickly.

She had a 20min am nap at nursery today and then an hour for the pm nap. I don't have much control over that unfortunately. I'll make sure she has good naps tomorrow.

[*foxy*]

We're doing quite well with the EW's but she was at nursery today and NO naps all day! They tried everything but she just wouldn't sleep! So she's in bed now, hopefully she'll sleep through and we'll spend tomorrow catching up

[*foxy*]

Hi

I'm a little confused. Yesterday my Lo woke at 6.15, had her am nap at 9.40 (1hour) then her pm nap at 2 pm (1 1/2 hrs) and was asleep at 7.30 - it took a while before she fell asleep. She slept through but why has she woken at 5.20am? I really wanted a later wake up as she's at nursery today and never naps as well there as she does at home so easily becomes OT. I'd love some clues as why she's awake so early!

[*Kara*]

I would think that she could be OT with that EW... Not from yesterday, but from a few days before with poor naps... OT can certainly build up

[*foxy*]

That was a week ago though, can it last that long?

[*foxy*]

She was at nursery today and only slept for an hour in the afternoon, no morning nap. I don't know what to do about her hardly sleeping there, I'm constantly trying to catch up then we're back to square one when she's been there. Any ideas?

[clairebear79]

Nursery is a really tricky situation.  I'm not best placed to advise as my LO isn't going yet (he is due to start in September).

How long has your LO been at nursery?  What is the sleep environment like there?  Are the cribs in the same room with the oher children who are playing or is there a separate room.  Are the LO's expected to sleep in the daylight or is the room darkened.  And do they follow your routine or do they do set naps? 

At the nursery we have chosen for DS, the baby room has cribs in the same room that they play in, so they have to sleep in broad daylight, next to all the other babies who are awake & playing.  Once they move up into the 2-3yr room, they have a separate room with cribs & mats which is blacked out.  I am not happy for DS to sleep in the baby room as I know he will not get the rest he needs in there as it will be too distracting, so I have asked if he can go in the blacked out room with the older children for his naps & they have said that will be fine.  They are also quite happy to follow my routine.

[*foxy*]

She's been there six weeks now. The cot room is separate from the play area and its slightly darkened. They try to follow our routine but I think the babies like to nap together so its slightly different to how we do things at home. They try to get her to nap in the cot, if that fails they try the buggy but she just refuses.

She also completely flips out when I get back from work, she has some kind if melt down which I find hard to deal with as she gets so upset if I put her down. She's fine with my dp and is happy to be dropped off at nursery and picked up by him but is hysterical when she sees me when I get home. I'm hoping it'll get better as its horrible seeing her like that.

[clairebear79]

Ah so its all still relatively new then isn't it.  And sounds like you have a bit of SA going on. ((((hugs)))) I know how hard that is.  Other than asking them to try as much as possible to follow your routine, I'm afraid I think it may just be a case of hoping her naps at nursery improve over time. 

One other thought - does she have a favourite comforter/lovie that she could take with her for her naps?  Might help her settle to sleep?

[*foxy*]

Oh yes of course, I stupidly forgot about SA! Definitely sounds like that. I guess that gets easier as they get older? Is there anything I can do? It's horrible.
She doesnt really have a lovie but I do send her off with one of her favourite toys and a musical toy that we always use for naps and BT.

[*foxy*]

Hi

My Lo is very OT, she's only had one nap in the day for the last two days. Then last night she woke at 9.30 and didn't go back to sleep until 12.30 then was up for the day at 5.15!
We clearly need to catch up but I've been capping her first nsp as she would never nsp in the afternoon if I let her sleep for an hour and a half in the morning. So since shes so OT, do I let her sleep for as long as she wants this morning to catch up or do I cap this first nap to make sure she has a good second nap? I don't want a repeat of last night!!

[*Amy*]

Belly monster no advice on the ew's but just to let you know that your lo is crying when she sees you cause it makes her remember that she missed you. My dd does the same, so I leave her in the morning and she is playing happily with my helper and then when I walk back in she bursts into tears and is inseparable for about a good hour! She is just crying cause she has realized that she missed me while I was away!  Sounds like you area getting some good advice from the other girls!

[clairebear79]

Honestly, I think if she's OT, I would let her sleep.  If she needs to catch up it shouldn't hurt to let her take the full nap.x

[*foxy*]

Thanks, we did but she only slept for 1hr 15. We're currently trying to get her to have her pm nap but she screams every time we try to put her in her cot.

We're in a bit of a mess to be honest and Im not sure how we got here or how we get out! Its definitely since she started nursery. She was fine being put down for her naps before, we'd read her stories and she'd have her bottle and she might be a bit drwosy when we put her down but she'd happily go into her cot. Now everytime that I go to put her down she screams blue murder until I pick her up. Because of this, Ive got into the very bad habit of settling her in my arms and then putting her down (now even this doesnt work, I cant put her down even if shes fast asleep in my arms) Im not sure what to do. I think because shes been so OT and so hysterical Ive cuddled her more and shes experiencing the SA as well which of course doesnt help. And also shes very OT so clingy and its all escalated to the point that I dont know what to do anymore.

Should I try pu/pd again, that seemed to work before? Just do our usual wind down and then pop her in her cot (she'll scream her head off) and then keep doing pu/pd? I just worry because shes so OT that I just want her to sleep but we're getting no where, last night was really awful and she just wont go in her cot no matter how tired she is. She very grumpy and is crying alot more than usual lately, we're feeling very lost. Please help!!!!!