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need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« on: July 04, 2011, 20:10:00 pm »
ive posted here b4, and decided we would go with wi/wo. but havent acutally started sleep training yet, my dh is off work soon for a few days and want him to help as lo is getting too big and strong for me.

i need help deciding what method is best for us
how to start

my lo is 13 months currently rocked to sleep and brought in beside us. we live in a 1 bedroom house which can make things akward. we r currently moving 2-1 transiton.

any advice would be great :)

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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 00:14:04 am »
Has your lo ever slept independently? If no, then the preferred method would be gradual withdrawal.  Wi/wo is more used for getting back on track with Los who were already sleeping independently in the past. If noise is an issue that's also a point towards gw, as wi/wo does involve some to a lot of crying.

Happy to help you come up with a plan if that's how you want to go; we used gw around 1yo. What's your current become routine like?
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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 08:37:58 am »
We done sleep training at 6 months and he went to sleep himself and STTN for a Wk. He woke. One morning around 5, we thought he was hungry so I began to feed to sleep again big
mistake!

Our routine went yesterday:

6 awake
6:30 b/feed
7:40 b/fast
9:30 snack
10:30 sleep (1hr 40)
12:45 lunch
15:00 snack
17:00 dinner
18:30 b/feed & bed
that would be great if u could help, gw maybe be better for us






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 12:11:25 pm »
Gah! I just noticed the typo on my reply - I meant to ask what your current *bedtime* routine is (I hate iPod autocorrect! Lol). From start to finish if that's ok ending with whenever you leave the room. And what you do at any nws too; it just helps to come up with a gw plan to know where you're starting from :)

I'm not great with routines, but in looking at yours I'm wondering if OT might be playing a role too - that's a 12.5h day with only a 1h40m nap :o I know you said you were in the middle of 2-1, are you alternating 1 nap and 2 nap days? Have you tried an earlier bedtime on 1 nap days? OT can really make bedtime a lot more difficult in general (let alone when you're trying to sleep train) so you may want to make sure that it's not a factor.
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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 18:34:23 pm »
i wondered what you meant! :D

we tidy up toys or anything else around 30 mins b4. change nappy, get pjs on (turn down lights)milk, brush teeth, wash face. get sleeping bag on cuddle in and then rock to sleep 10 mins b4 he is acually due to be asleep. place him in the cot after 5 mins and leave the room.

nws we usually bring him in beside us as soon as he wakens or there is a 2 hr battle on our hands!

he has been a bit OT with the 2-1, i  if there is enough time in the day i will give him the two naps. 1.5 in the morning and 30 mins a/noon. on 1 nap days b/time is usually about half 6.






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 01:48:03 am »
The point of gw is that you're gradually changing the routine and teaching lo how to sleep independently - it tends to be a bit gentler than wi/wo (only in that it's not a sudden change) with less crying, but it generally takes quite a bit longer because you're going through a process to remove the prop.

I used gw to wean patting about a year or so ago...  D was going through some wicked teething, and we found that whoever was putting him down had to pat his bum in the crib until he was asleep, then start patting softer and softer and slower and slower and sneak out of the room.  Then the teeth broke through so we tried to go back to our old routine (just laying him in his crib, patting for a minute or so, then saying goodnight and leaving) but when we stopped patting he would roll over and look at us and start to cry when we tried to leave!  Oops...

I decided against wi/wo just because I felt it wasn't right for us (the same way pu/pd wasn't when he was younger) so I did a gw of the patting.  I patted until he relaxed, then started patting more softly, then just rested my hand on his bum until he was asleep.  I kept that up for about a few days, gradually shortening the time that I was patting, but he was still falling asleep with my hand on his bum.  Then I started taking my hand away before he was asleep, but still standing right by his crib as if my hand was there, even though I wasn't touching him, kwim?  Again, I kept that up for a few days, taking my hand away earlier each time but always still standing by his crib until he fell asleep.  Then I did everything the same, but stepped away from the crib when I took my hand away.  This was probably the hardest step, as he rolled over and looked at me when I moved away.  He didn't cry though, so I just stayed 'goodnight sweat pea' (our key phrase) and stayed in the room until he fell asleep.  Couple days of that and he no longer rolled over to look at me, so I would say our phrase and then leave the room.  The whole process took less than 2 weeks, probably because he had been sleeping pretty much independently before so it was just getting back to it.  To this day we still do a bit of a back rub after we tuck him in (maybe 2min if I had to guess?) but it's just a nice part of our bedtime routine and it helps him settle :)

So in your case, for the rocking, the steps might look like (I'm assuming you're rocking until asleep):
1. rock until asleep, but don't wait the 5m, place in crib right away keeping your hand/arms on him (with or without motion) so that he feels your presence if he stirs.
2. rock until almost asleep, place in crib keeping your hands/arms on him (w/ or w/out motion) until he is asleep
3. rock until almost asleep, place in crib keeping your hands lightly on him
4. rock for less time, place in crib keeping hands lightly on him
... keep rocking for less time, placing him in his crib awake but relaxed with your hands lightly on him
... get to the point where you're not rocking, just holding before placing him in the crib
... take your hands away earlier and earlier as he's falling asleep (staying by his crib so he feels your presence)
... get further away from the crib, until you're out the door :)

Those are just some examples, but keep in mind that the nice thing about gw is that you can make it work to fit you and your lo.  And if you enjoy a little rocking (the way I don't mind rubbing D's back before sleep) you can incorporate it into your routine, the important thing is to make sure that it's not necessary for him to fall asleep.  And I would keep everything else in your bedtime routine the same and only change the prop that you're gwing.  You can decide too how you're going to tackle any nw - if you want to wait until bedtime is settled and then tackle them, or if you want to give it a go all at once.  You could probably go either way since it's a different prop (ie, rocking at bedtime and then cosleeping for nws).  If it was the same prop (like feeding to sleep, for example) I would definitely recommend doing it all at once as it can be confusing for lo, but with different props it's really up to you.

Let me know what you think?
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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 05:56:07 am »
This may be easier for usn. That plan sounds good! I have a feeling that if he can go to sleep by himself that he may not wake during the night. What do you think?

We done shush/pat when we stopped night feeds but I think that turned into a prop, he was waking every 2 he's. :(

In step 1, do you think it would be ok after placing him in the cot to place my hand on his back?
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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 09:51:33 am »
I meant to tell you that I sing to him while I rock him.
I've just done step 1,he moaned a little when I put him down I kept onsibging and kept my hand on his back.  Stayed in the room for 5 after I took my hand away.  Does this sound.ok?






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 17:41:48 pm »
That sounds fantastic!!! And definitely keep singing - it may help you get through the physical steps more quickly because he will be able to hear your presence, yk? Just make sure you don't go too fast - do each step for at least a couple of days before moving to the next, and judge for yourself how he's doing with each step and when to move to the next.

I agree that once you get him sleeping independently at bedtime that you'll notice fewer nightwakings. Not to say that he won't wake up (everyone does!) but once he has those skills to sleep independently you won't have to intervene as much because he can do it himself :)
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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 18:56:07 pm »
That's good,  I feel better knowing there is a plan!  :D will take things slowly I'm sure things will work out. We r getting better longer naps which is great  :)






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 19:40:57 pm »
Am just tagging along if that is ok to see how you get on? We are in the same situation with holding to sleep and more recently coming into our bed at NW due to teething pain. I am off work for 7 weeks in 2 weeks time so I need a plan to tackle it then! Good luck!



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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 04:57:31 am »
Hi bex09  :) I hope u get on ok. I don't know how we got here! It wasn't that long ago he was 6 months ans STTN now he is in beside us.






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 10:54:30 am »
I feel exactly the same! Because DD's NW and EW are only happening some nights and then others she STTN I don't really know what is going on. I always assume she must be in pain and usually end up putting her in with us... now I wonder if she is playing us! I have just put her down for her nap and I held her for a lot less time and she went down fine. Am going to stick with that for a few days and then think about our next step. When are you starting?



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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 19:49:53 pm »
I know he can STTN and go to sleep himself, I think he is also playing us! We started yesterday it went great but today has been a disaster, I think he knows!  He is a bit OT maybe that's what's wrong. How r u getting on?






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Re: need help deciding which sleep training method to choose
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2011, 20:13:49 pm »
Oh no, he is wise to you hey?! How are you handling it if he cries? Do you go back a step and pick him up again, is that right? I put C down as soon as she was asleep tonight and she actually rolled over and rubbed her eyes (she was very tired though). But she stayed there and no crying. Have just heard her have a brief wake and a wriggle and snuffle and got herself settled again. But this is what she can be like one night no problem STTN for 12 hrs then others I am up and down until I give in. ::)