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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2011, 07:29:30 am »
Ok, I hope it don't back fire and he's up earlier lol. Thanks
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2011, 07:56:04 am »
Me too! ;) :-* let us know how it goes.
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2011, 11:57:28 am »
I did an early bedtime myself last night and DS was up early, but he did get more sleep than he's been getting so even though I'm tired, I'm hoping it's kind of like a short term investment in long term later sleep (like maybe in time for the weekend??)   ;D
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 06:32:36 am »
Well it has back fired and I've been having 4:30am wake ups. He's also cried out once or twice in the nights but settled himself. What do I do now? Xx
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2011, 07:23:12 am »
Are you doing WIWO when he wakes up? How long is he sleeping for his naps?
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2011, 07:32:26 am »
Hi I did wiwo but he was iterally screaming. I did it for only 20mins. He slept a total of 1.5hs yesterday, split into 2 naps though due to the early wake up. His first nap was 11am but he only slept for 30mins.he had another nap then 2 to 3pm and bedtime was 7:15pm. What would be best to do today as he's moaning already x
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2011, 07:46:16 am »
((((hugs)))) I dunno, that's really hard. I think he's still overtired, because that's really not a lot of nap, and a 14 hr or more day. Plus the canines and plus the 18month sleep regression (which is a doozy). How come you decided not to do an early bedtime, was it because he had a second nap?

I'd probably keep him up til 10 and then hope and pray for a longer nap. He needs to be asleep in bed by 6 at the latest tonight, you could even do 5.30.

I know you know this but if you're doing WIWO, you need to keep up with it. Or do something else to keep him quiet in his bedroom (cuddles/whatever). I do think it's really important that he doesn't get to start his day and have breakfast until a reasonable hour.

More hugs to you though. I remember those days so well, I remember raging at CBeebies that they didn't start broadcasting til 6am! 6am??!? I had been up with a mardy toddler for two hours by then!
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2011, 07:47:14 am »
Desperate times desperate measures and all, do you think he would have a longer nap if you laid down with him in your bed and you could both catch a couple of hours?
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2011, 10:53:21 am »
(((Hugs))) kiansmam. I don't have any advice at this point, just hugs.  We really are having a similar experience over here. I think teething has really put my little guy into an OT spiral which is even affecting his days now (he has been really irritable).  I started a desperate thread yesterday because I'm at a loss.  I will say, however, that I have been trying to work with an earlier BT and moving the nap up and things have improved slightly over the past day or so.  My only hope is that this will be a gradual improvement that gets us back to good sleep and less crankiness in general.  I hope both of our LOs get back on track soon.  More (((hugs))) for you, I know how you feel! 
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 12:17:38 pm »
Thanks both I really appreciate it. I know I need to stick with wiwo longer but my neighbours don't understand and will moan at a drop of a hat if he crys. I have tried lying down with him to sleep but it makes him angry. Will have to go with the early bedtime tonight and see how it goes x
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2011, 12:46:01 pm »
Sorry things are still rough!

Have you tried doing a meds dream feed for the teething? DS's canines are also coming through ATM & the DF is really helping!

Also agree about the earlier BT!
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2011, 14:36:31 pm »
Just wanted to run through a checklist of things that might be waking him so we can rule them out...

Hunger?
Light (it is light so early in the mornings now)
Noise (dawn chorus? The birds can be really loud)
Pain (try Nurofen at 3am by syringe so as not to wake)
Discomfort (super-full/leaky nappy)
Habit (try wake to sleep)
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2011, 17:57:05 pm »
Following along and sending hugs to you.xxxxxxxxx

Anna - i am looking at your check list for us too! Can you do W2S for a 2.5 year old or are they too old then? DH just said he thinks Bram is in the habit of waking at 5.50 rather than through pain. sorry to hijack the thread.

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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2011, 19:40:22 pm »
TBH i think he's doing it through habit now rather than anything else. I've gone through the check list and i really don't think it's any of the others. What would be best to do to break the habit? x
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Re: ow i give up
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2011, 22:31:46 pm »
Wake to sleep can definitely work if it's habitual. It is scary though for EWers, means going into their room about an hour before they habitually wake, and get them to stir (NOT wake up). The idea is to bring them out of deep sleep to start a new cycle, so that by the time their wake up time rolls around they are in a deep sleep again.

Nell, at 2.5 I would definitely consider using a Groclock or something similar. If you can explain to Bram that we sleep at night and wake in the daytime, he will be able to look at the clock and see if it's time to get up yet. We had terrible EWs for ages, totally resolved by the Groclock at 24 months old and still going strong.
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