Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[scucci1979]

Great job! 

Alyssa has Madi's cold. Poor thing is so congested. Nap yesterday was 1hr and 45mins but it seemed like she didn't have a good sleep. I aimed bt at 7:15pm but she wouldn't wd b/c she couldn't drink her milk due to not breathing through her nose.    She was so upset and angry. Then I put on her cool mist on to help her breath and the silly thing shines a green light so she got stimulated from that and wanted to touch that. Silly me I should of turned it on when she was asleep. Anyhow,  I was so frustrated as I just got my monthly friend and my patience was running thin, so hubby had to intervene and pat her. She fell asleep at 7:45am and of course woke up this morning at 6:15am. Classic OT. Also b/c she is sick. I couldn't get her back to sleep. She kept saying "bottle". I knew she was hungry as she didn't drink her milk yesterday.

Do you think I should aim for an 11:30am nap? Just when her EASY was going well and wu times were decent. I don't want her days to start at 6am again if I do an early nap and early bt.

[lulunut]

I'd go for early nap and BT or even two naps.  I know when my LO's are sick they sleep lots but it tends to be short due to the trouble breathing.

[scucci1979]

thanks.
 I did put her down earlier. 11:30am and she slept until 1:20pm. I don't know what to do now. Bt is normally 7:30pm. Do i try to fit in a 10min cn or do a 6:50pm bt?

I don't her freaking days to creep earlier.

[KIMMCGOWAN]

Hi there people!

We have entered the world of wonky naps a few weeks ago, and until this weekend it was managable, however we are now struggling to get 2 naps in. LO is 11months old. Total sleep in day now only 1 -1.5 hrs with 12hour night. OUr day currently looks like this.

7am wake and bottle
11.15 Nap for 30mins
4pm Nap for 30mins
7pm Bed

The problem is he is just not tired enough when we put him down. I can feel itintuitively when I put him to bed. A little voice goes "he's just not that tired!!!". And we only get a longer nap if he wakes before 7am!!! But I don't think he is ready to go to 1 nap..... Have no idea what to do despite reading everything here. Some help would be so appreciated!!!!

[clairebear79]

Sabs - sorry to hear A is poorly.  What BT did you do in the end   I think I would have done same & gone with EBT rather than CN.

Kim - welcome to the 2-1!!!  How long have you been getting 30min naps for   Is it a fairly recent thing   Does he wake naturally from both naps or do you wake him? And how is he waking from his naps at the moment - happy/well rested or crying   Reason I ask is that for us, 30min naps have always been OT, but if you say he isn't tired enough when you put him down to bed then it could be that he is in a bit of an UT/OT loop - wasn't tired enough for his nap, so took a short nap & as a result was OT by the end of the day.  This can then manifest itself by way of 2x 30min naps every day.  Do you think that could be what's happening   1-1.5hrs total day sleep is pretty low at that age.

Ladies, we have decided to try & stick at 1 nap b/c its just getting so tough with 2.  We've cut the AM nap back to 30mins but he isn't really tired when we put him down for that, I think he just sleeps b/c he's got no choice!!!!  I'm fed up with struggling with our PM nap & not being able to figure the right A & its just ending up too late in the day meaning our WU's are creeping earlier.  Soooo..... yesterday I followed his cues as to when to PD for his nap & got none!!!  PD at 5.5hrs & he slept 1h 50 but woke several times OT.  BT was after 5hrs A but he fought for 45mins, asleep 7pm & of course had a very disturbed night.

So today he woke at 6am.  I pulled back his A time & PD at 11am (5hrs A).  He woke at 1h 15 but resettled & slept 2hrs, 11am-1pm.  BT was 6.40pm (aimed for 6.30 but took a while to settle).  I'm really not sure if I've got our timings right, but for now I'm going to stick like glue to an 11am nap & hope for a good 2hrs & that his WU stabilises & we get past the OT wakeups.  Once he's settled with that I will work on shifting it later by 10/15 mins until we get the nap nearer to 12.  I think maybe I am doing BT too late at 6.30pm since his nap is 11am but I'm scared to do earlier in case he still only sleeps 11hrs.  But then I'm not going to mop up the OT in the same way am I?  WWYD

[scucci1979]

I think I may have got myself in a little mess here. We were on our way home and 10mins before we got home she fell asleep. sigh. this was at 5:45pm.  I didn't know what to do. Grrr.. put her down at 7:40pm. I hope we don't get an EW tomorrow.
fingers crossed for me.

i know the fear Claire of the 11hr night. I fear that too. The only way A will do a longer night is when her nap is shorter.

[aidenmc]

I know I'm going to jinx things by posting this but we are now on the best routine ever. After going to 1 nap we were getting naps of usually about 1.5 hrs, from about 12:15 to 1:45, occasionally a bit shorter or longer. WU was generally 5:30-6 and BT was 6:30. The day was a little skewed with a much longer first A time, but I just decided to stick to that set nap time.

Well the last few days/nights wee have had naps of 2-2hr15 and nights of basically 7-7!!!!!!! He is getting more sleep in 24 hrs than he has in months! I am double medicating for teeth right now before sleeps as his molars are definitely on their way and when I wasn't medicating or only giving ibuprophen he was sleeping shorter. I'm really hoping this is not some medication effect???

Anyway, I posted this to give you hope Claire and anyone else toying with sticking to a 1 nap. Before we shifted we wee only getting total day sleep of about 1.5 hrs even with the shortened first nap. I can almost guarantee that now that I have posted this everything will go to pot, but I have the feeling he is just so happy with this routine. The thing is we didn't vary anything by more than about 15-20 minutes when he was especially tired and we did have a little OT stretch when dh was letting his nap start too late while I was away, but even he is convinced that we need to stick to this routine.

[clairebear79]

Sabs - I wouldn't think a 10min nap should really eat into her night.  She must have needed it after all.  Hope you got a decent WU.

Wow Becky that really gives me hope!!!!!  I am a little scared that I have made our nap start too early, but I thought if I stick to it for a couple of weeks then I can work on shifting it later towards midday.  And hope beyond hope that his nights extends.  He generally will take around 2hr nap (sometimes more sometimes less) but at the moment its very disturbed & he keeps waking up crying.  Our nights have been disturbed too & I know he is OT.  But I too think I have to see it through.

This morning he woke at 3.50, 4.30, 5.10, 5.30 & finally up for the day at 5.55am.  So 11h 15 sleep.  Bit disappointed it was disturbed like that, but I guess its an improvement on the day before - small steps eh?

Becky what do you think to my timings - do they sound reasonable???

WU:   6am (there or thereabouts though hoping this may improve eventually)
Nap:  11am (hopefully for 2hrs+)
BT:    6.30pm (so we are keeping to 12.5hr day max

Hoping then once he's used to that & nap extends or WU gets later, we can shift the nap gradually towards 12 & BT back to 7pm.  I really don't want to be stuck with 6.30pm BT's for long as I go back to work next week & it means I will only get to see him for 30mins.

[scucci1979]

Claire, that is what I did with Alyssa. Her bt was 6:30pm for a while then I gradually shifted her day. TBH, I don't even remember how we did it. I think she just woke up later one morning.

Great job Becky! 


She woke up at 6:50am. I guess she needed that power nap. I don't know! I thought for sure she went to bed UT.

[clairebear79]

Yay Alyssa!!!   She must've needed it!

Oliver is at nursery today.  I've asked them to do his nap at 11am & I'm hoping & praying he'll take a decent one, or at the very least, longer than an hour!  I'm at home on my last Monday of maternity leave & I've got tonsilitis & earache 

[scucci1979]

Good luck for today. So sorry you are not feeling well.  I am going on my 20th day with a really bad sinus infection. Already have had two doses of antibiotics.
Sending healthy vibes your way. Try to enjoy your last week sweetie.
Alyssa did the strangest thing before nap. she wanted to go down early so I put her down at 12pm but she was crying as she was laying down. Not sure if it was b/c of the cold or something else. She basically cried into her blankie as I was patting her bum. She wouldn't even stay calm on my shoulder.

[clairebear79]

Oh, I didn't know you are ill too - sinusitis is nasty.  Hope you are feeling better soon. 

Do you think maybe A's cold is just making her that bit extra sleepy atm

Well O's nap didn't go so great at nursery although it was a slight improvement on last wk.  Went:

WU: 5.55am                    (11h 15 sleep - but woke repeatedly from 3.50am) 
Nap: 11.05am - 11.45am   took 20mins to resettle to sleep.
Nap: 12.05pm - 12.30pm.  dirty nappy was changed at 12.35pm so I guess that's what woke him
BT:   6.10pm                   Put down 6pm due to poor nap.

When I picked him up his usual carer wasn't there & the other lady read his record book & said he'd only slept 40mins & so when I got home we opted for 6pm EBT.  I didn't realise he'd actually had another 25mins until after we'd put him to bed, so I'm now a little scared we've put him down too early.  That said, he's in bed 20mins early yet he's slept 1hr less than normal so here's hoping he'll do a catch up night or we're in for a VERY early start tomorrow. 

[scucci1979]

I think she was just extra sleepy b/c she slept for 2hrs and 10mins. Of course, come bt, she was laughing and giggling in her crib. 

I think it will take him some time to get used to sleeping at nursery.
Lets hope he catches up tonight. Good luck.

[aidenmc]

Hope you both feel better soon.

Well, as I predicted, by mentioning the wonderful routine it went a bit wrong with an EW of 5:30. He cried a bit then was quiet till 6. Then his nap was only 1.5 hrs. I know I really should accept that as his 'normal'. When at daycare he's not sleeping too long (an hour or less) so maybe those were a couple of catchup days.

Claire, your times look good to me. For some reason I was scared to do the earlier nap, fearing a long afternoon if it ended early. I have heard of people doingit your way then gradually shifting everything.

[KIMMCGOWAN]

Kim - welcome to the 2-1!!!  How long have you been getting 30min naps for   Is it a fairly recent thing   Does he wake naturally from both naps or do you wake him? And how is he waking from his naps at the moment - happy/well rested or crying   Reason I ask is that for us, 30min naps have always been OT, but if you say he isn't tired enough when you put him down to bed then it could be that he is in a bit of an UT/OT loop - wasn't tired enough for his nap, so took a short nap & as a result was OT by the end of the day.  This can then manifest itself by way of 2x 30min naps every day.  Do you think that could be what's happening   1-1.5hrs total day sleep is pretty low at that age.

Thanks clairebear! So I do feel it is a little light on daytime sleep.  Been getting 30mins for a couple of weeks now and when he wakes himself at that time and he screams, but then is happy once we come downstairs. Doesn't seem tired or miserable. 30mins usually means undertired for us, and 45 mins is usually overtired. Saying that a few times recently he has fallen asleep when out and had a good hour and it has always been 'early'. Mostly he sleeps well at night, so don't think he is that overtired, but will try putting him down earlier today and for the rest of the week to see what happens. At least even if he still only has 30mins there will be more chance for a longer nap at nap 2. What do you think?