Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[scucci1979]

I think you made a good call there.
One tooth just cut. I could of sworn that I saw her molar really swollen.  Need to take a peek.

[newmama12]

Hi everyone! Sorry, I haven't been around much but we've been so busy. I only have a sec to pop in here, but I will be back to read and respond to everyone.

J seems to be doing pretty well on the short AM/long PM nap. Most days we're getting a good 6-6:30am WU. So, that's fabulous! Yesterday, he did a 30 minute AM and then 45 minutes into his PM nap he got his legs stuck in the crib rails. First time he's done that. Nap was over after that. So, we had a long PM and did a 6:30 BT. I 'think' he was up around 6:15 this morning. Tried putting him down around 9:30 for the AM nap, but it took him a bit to settle. I don't think he was quit ready. He finally fell asleep around 9:50 or so. I don't want to push it out too late, so I'll probably wake him about 10:10 max. Then shoot for a 1:00-1:15 PM nap.

I wonder if I need to start pushing out the AM nap if he's waking around 6/6:30? He's not quit ready at 9:30. Should I go 10-10:30 or cut it to 20 minutes? I would like to keep with a 7pm-ish BT, so I don't want to have the PM nap too late. Plus, with dd in PM preschool, this is really messing up his nap schedule. I cannot have him to go 1 nap yet! And, he'll have to be up by 3pm to go pick her up from school. So, we're in a bit of a schedule tweak now.

[scucci1979]

You can try that and see how he does.


So we had a little crib party from 4:30-6am. What was that about. She has a cold and I gave her pain meds, but she wouldn't fall back asleep right away. She would blow raspberries, chat and suck her blankie. I even tried rocking her on my shoulder. I just don't understand what is going on.  I really hope this is a cold. It also could be a little developmental leap as she has been walking for a few weeks now and learning how do many things on her own.

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - great news with the 6.30am WU's!!!!!  Its such a relief isn't it?!!!  We too found that O won't settle at 9.30am anymore & so we are doing 10am naps on 2 nap days.  How long is he napping for in the PM now?  I'd say it sounds like you need to nudge the nap out a little later - so you could maybe try 9.45 for a few days & then 10 if thats still too early for him.  If your nap is 10-10.30 I'd say he'd be ready to sleep 1-1.30pm anyway so if he did a 1.5hr PM nap then that still fits with your school run.  If he is sleeping longer for the PM nap then yes I'd say you will also need to cut the morning nap back a little more to 20 mins, as that will pull the PM nap a little earlier meaning there is time for a longer nap.  IIWM I'd just probably try shifting it a little later first before capping it any further.

Sabs - could it be her teeth too?  We do actually have a wonder week coming up very soon though - week 55 so that'll be next week for you right?  That can affect sleep at night too.  Here's the link:

http://www.thewonderweeks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=160

Ladies, we have done another couple of 1 nap days but they've not gone so well.  Today he woke for the day at 6.15am, nap was 11.05 - 12.35 (1.5hrs).  He was crying with tiredness when I PD & of course he woke up at 30mins crying, then again at 1.5hrs but wouldn't be resettled.  Just cried.   :'( I tried to AP a nap this afternoon with a long walk in the stroller but he was wide awake & chatty, then by 5pm he was shattered.  BT was 6.30pm, asleep 6.45, so he did a 6h 15 A time after a 1.5hr nap.    Not for lack of trying on my part.  Does this sound like he is just getting OT to you & that maybe he isn't ready after all?

I think we should maybe aim more for something like what Cyndie is doing & do consistent nap at 10am & maybe cap at 30mins & hopefully this will make our PM nap less of a struggle, b/c with 45min AM nap it was getting difficult.  He is at daycare settling in sessions the next 2 mornings though so no choice but 1 nap so I think come the weekend he will be one tired baba.   

[lulunut]

Hay everyone! Sounds like some good news and some struggles!

I am interested in finding out what happens with your morning Clairbear after that crazy day you had! Hugs!

Sabs -- sorry to hear about the party. When I was young and single that may have been fun! 

For the last week I have been getting 1-2 NW. I think teeth.  It takes me about 30 min to get him back down and then the usual 5:30 am wake that I AP until I have to get to work! I am exhausted!  I know he is OT and OS, I am sticking with the times but it doesn't seem to working itself out! I am so tired!

Hoping that this teeth thing will end soon!

[clairebear79]

lulunut - What routine are you going on now?  We got a 5.30am WU.  Siigh.  10h45 night sleep compared to his now usual 11.5hrs.  He has to be OT - he only had 12h15 total sleep yesterday & he's averaging 13.5-14 these days.  Its going to put a real spanner in the works for today though, as we are at his new nursery from 9-11 & I have to leave him there for the last hour for the first time so he's not going to have a nap & will most definitely be tired out.  We're looking at a min 6hr A time that he's got to do this morning.

[newmama12]

Claire, most days, it seems as if he is doing a 1.5 hour PM nap (with a 30 minute AM nap that I usually wake him from). Occasionally, he'll do 2 hours in the PM but that is more rare. Of course, he had a 5:30 WU this morning. Lovely. Actually, works a tad in our favor b/c we have to leave at 10am for dd's gymnastics. So, I'll put him down slightly earlier and get a 30 in for him. Yesterday he was so crabby. Did something like this:

6:15 WU
9:50-10:10 nap
1:00-2:15 nap
6:30 BT (he was soooo tired and crabby)
5:30 WU

I don't know if he's getting his molars or what, but he is crabby lately. They are swollen, so maybe they're getting ready. IDK. Not liking the 5:30 WUs again. But, if I can get him back to the 6:15-6:30ish WU time, then I'm going to push his nap slightly later and we'll see what we can work with.

[scucci1979]

thanks for the link Claire. Our nights are also getting shorter again. Last night she had a difficult time falling asleep b/c of her cough. Finally fell asleep at 8:10pm and woke up at 4:40am, then again at 6am and again 6:15am.  Going to try an earlier bt for a few more days.

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - crabbiness probably is down to teeth.  That said maybe he's not ready for his AM nap to be cut back any further just yet.

Well ladies nursery went better than expected.  I knew there'd be no way he'd make it til 11.30/12 since he got up at 5.30am, so I took his sleeping bag & his lovey & asked them to put him down if he needed it while I wasnt there.  He was clearly getting tired before I left so I was dreading that he might cry the whole time I was gone.  To my huge relief, when I got back there he was fast asleep.  Of course, I had to wake him up, so he only got 30mins sleep from 10.30-11.00 but at least it was something.  Phew!

I think tomorrow I will do same & ask them to PD as soon as he's looking tired.  TBH I'm actually swaying towards forgetting A times etc for a few days & just following him closely & letting him nap for as long as he wants, whenever he wants.  I think I'm just putting him down b/c I expect he 'should' be tired, rather than b/c he actually IS tired.  They said he was rubbing his eyes at nursery, but honestly he hardly ever does that at home.  So maybe I always PD too early?  This pm for eg I PD for 1.30 b/c I expected he'd do around 2.5hrs A after a 30min nap, esp since he already did 5hrs A time before it.  Nope - chatting away in his cot & squealing at his teddies until 1.45.  I'm a little scared we are going to get an UT nap.

[scucci1979]

I would leave it as is, especially since nursery started. Good for him.
Cyndie, agree with Claire.

I put Alyssa down at 11:40am. I hope she catches up on some sleep. I just don't get why her ews are creeping in again. I blame teeth and OT.

[clairebear79]

Well ladies - would you believe O did a 2h 15 min nap this PM, & he would have slept longer but it got to 4pm & I didn't dare let him stay asleep so I woke him up.  He woke repeatedly throughout the nap, at 45mins, 1h 15 & 1h 45, but kept falling back asleep, so he really must've needed it.  And he was still ready for bed at 7pm - went down with absolutely no protests.  So lets hope that the 2h 45 day sleep he had today won't mean another short night for us tonight

[scucci1979]

fingers crossed.

Alyssa was asleep by 7:30pm but refused her bottle. She napped on her own for 2hrs and 20min today.

[newmama12]

Nice nap, Oliver!

Ladies, we got another 5:15 WU this morning. No, no, no!! I don't know where we're going wrong. He's been doing so well for the last few weeks and I don't understand what's changing. Here's yesterday's schedule:

5:30 WU
9:15-9:45 nap (I woke him b/c we had to leave at 10)
12:45-2:15 nap (he woke)
6:50 in bed, asleep by 7
5:15 WU Boo!

He cannot go to one nap, yet! DD's school is going to be 12:30-3 and I still have to drive and pick her up. That is the perfect time for him to fit in a PM nap. What do I do today for his AM? Push thru to 9:30 even though he was up so early? Put him earlier and let him sleep? I don't know if he's OT. He had a day (I think 2 days ago) where he napped a total of 1.25 the whole day. Is that catching up with him? IDK!

Argh!!!

[scucci1979]

Cyndie, I wonder if you move out that nap just a little bit, if that would help, thinking 9: 30am.

so ladies. Alyssa almost gave me a 12hour night last night with a 1hr and 50min nap. She was asleep by7pm and woke up at 6:45am. I put her down for her nap at 12pm but she woke up at 1:25pm, not wanting to go back down. I guess this was an UT nap???  I don't know. I probably should of stuck with a 5.5hour A time. Anyhow, I am not sure if she will make it to 7pm with a short nap like that. Thinking of fitting in a AP CN at 5pm for 10min and do a 7:30bt.

if you ladies see this before the day ends, let me know what you think.

[clairebear79]

Not sure if this will be too late - but I'd say def try for CN or you will have to do EBT meaning early start tomorrow.

Ladies what a funny week we've had with a mix of 1 & 2 nap days:

Yesterday:
Wake: 6am
Nap: 12.15 - 2.35 (did 1 nap as when I went to collect him from daycare he hadn't napped & was wide awake.  Woke repeatedly through nap though)
BT:    7.05pm

Today:
Wake: 6am
Nap: 10.30 - 10.55 (in car - woke himself)
Nap:  2.00 - 3.50   (we woke him as getting late)
BT:    7.10pm  (straight to sleep - definitely tired)

We had been getting 11.5hr nights with 1 nap (mostly) so why only 11hrs (not that 11hrs is bad of course, but less than we usually get on 1 nap)     Is it b/c his day is too long - I've noticed they seem to be creeping longer towards 13hrs again - or is it the A times are all wrong or maybe too much day sleep   I'm thinking his A time to BT might be too short after such a long PM nap, but he is always tired for bed when we take him up & he never kicks up a fuss.  Any thoughts?

O is also teething again - his bottom canines are coming in now