Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[scucci1979]

Claire, that is part of the transition. Some days will be two nap days and others will be one nap days.  I know with A, after a one our nap she can easily do 4hours of A time.  1.5hour nap she can do 5 hrs. 
I can never understand why some nights they can add night sleep and other nights not.
On a two nap day, can you perhaps cap the am nap to 20mins so he will be extra tired and go down earlier?

I don't know what happened last night but from 11:30-12:30am we had a nw.  She did not want to go in her crib, she would hold onto to me for dear life.
Do long nws mean pain? 

[clairebear79]

Long NW's where awake, chatty & playing would be UT.  But if she was upset & clingy I'd say probably pain or OT.  But you got a good nap yesterday didnt you, so I'd think OT would be unlikely.   

[newmama12]

Hi ladies! I am back for more suggestions/advice. We cannot kick this EW up again. Today was before 5am. That is just absurd! LOL! Yesterday, he had a great nap day, so I'm not sure where we went wrong and what is going on?

5:30 WU
9:45-10:15 nap (I woke him)
1:05-2:50 nap (woke on his own)
7:00 BT
4:45 WU

Should I push BT out later? He seems very capable of 4 hours A after a 2 hour nap. Yet, I don't want to push it too much and have an OT situation (which we may have now?? IDK). Ideally, I know he's really going for that 1 nap, but it's so hard with dd's preschool schedule to do that. It's also hard to keep pushing that AM nap out when he's up so dang early! He is super crabby today and chewing on his finger way in the back of his mouth. Teething molars, perhaps?! There is no way I'm going to be able to keep him up (happily) until 9:30/9:45 for a nap this morning. I'm thinking of putting him down around 8:45/9 and letting him do 45, max 1 hour. He seems so tired. Oh and he was up around 3am too, but went back to sleep. 

[scucci1979]

Cyndie, I would let him catch up a little.  I also would push out bt. After a2 hour pm nap I know A at that age could easily do 4.5hours. I would push out 15min every three days and see if that gets you wu time moved a little later.

[scucci1979]

need quick advice again.
after last nights nw, I had to wake Alyssa at 7am. she seemed tired at 11:30am,so I decided to put her down at 12pm. Went down like a breeze but woke up at 1:30pm.  I don't think she will last until 7pm with a 1.5hour nap. I tried to extend but she kept pointing at the door.  Should I AP a cn for 10min in the stroller at 5pm?
I should of used her usual A time of 5.5hours in the am.

[lulunut]

I am sorry ladies that things aren't well with your LO's.  I hope everything gets better for you all soon.

I have thought about putting him to bed later for nap.  This is first week of pre-school in AM and granny in PM so I haven't got a plan yet.  Yesterday he fell asleep on the way home in the afternoon in the car.  Too much excitement!! 

I haven't done PD in a while with him.  It didn't work before he would just get more and more mad and scream his head off until he was totally awake.  I just went to AP and for the last while I had hoped that the times would work themselves out.  So far that hasn't been working. 

Last night was 4:15 wake.  I usually AP him which can sometimes take about 30-40 min until he is fully settled.  He dreams a lot.  I decided this morning that the 40 min of me being awake wasn't worth it since I had to get up at 6am.  So I just slept with him.  He loves this!  With new baby coming I don't know how much longer I can be his soother!!

[clairebear79]

Cyndie - I think if he is teething molars it could be that was what woke him early, but it could also be that he needs either more A or a little less daytime sleep than 2h 15.  So I'd probably hang in there for a few days just to see if things get back on track in which case you put it down to teething.  If they don't, then agree with Sabs he may need a bit more A before BT.  So there are a couple of things you could do:

1) keep naps as they are but do a later BT (which gives him the extra A & should help you get a later WU), OR
2) cap the AM nap a little shorter, maybe try 20 mins.  This will bring the PM nap a little earlier & so give you more A time to BT, meaning you can keep BT where it is at 7pm.
3) cap the PM nap at 1.5hrs max so he is doing no more than 2hrs day sleep & so it also gives you the extra A to BT whilst keeping BT the same (though TBH I think if you are already capping his AM nap its a bit sucky to have to cap the PM nap too so this is my least preferred option)

Sabs - not sure you'll get this in time but if you can get a CN I would do it but for no more than 10mins.  If you can, you are a lucky lady!!! 

Lulunut - congrats on your Pg!!!!  Hope your EW sort themselves soon.

Ladies our day went:

Wake: 6.15   (11h 15 sleep)
Nap:  11.15 - 1.40  (2h 25 sleep - woke at 40mins & 1h 10 but self settled)
BT:    6.50    (straight to sleep)

He amazed me by doing 1 nap today, I though after yesterday it'd be 2 naps for sure.  But TBH even though he slept almost 2.5hrs he was shattered all afternoon & rather fussy & clingy - not himself at all.  He sounds really hoarse & is getting a cough so I think he must still be feeling poorly. 

[newmama12]

Thanks for the advice/support ladies! Yesterday was dd's first day at preschool, so we had our first experience with how nap(s) were going to work. Ugh. Not going so well. First off, he was up super early. I let him nap from 9-9:45am. Took her to school and was home at 1 for him to nap. He fell right asleep and I had to wake him at 2:40 to go pick her up. Unfortunately, 2:40 is going to be the latest he can nap on M,W,F due to me having to pick her up. I'm not sure what to do with the morning. If I push it out later, I have to cap it at 20 minutes. I think I can get back from dropping her off around 12:45, so I can put him down for that PM nap then. But, still have to wake him at 2:40. That just seems so early! However, if he's only napping 20 minutes in the AM and waking at 6am or earlier, this 'could' potentially work. At least for a little while. IDK though. WWYD?!

Also, if I try to push the one nap on him, I'd imagine that I could do something like 10-11:30/12 (assuming he'll even go that long), but then we'll have one super long afternoon. I don't like that option very much. At least not yet.
Claire, I think I'm leaning towards your option 2. I think that, for now, will probably make the most sense. It'll give him a longer PM, even if BT is still around 7/7:15. As long as I can get him to do about 2 hours, we might be ok for a bit. Although, yesterday afternoon he was a BEAST. He was so tired, I had him in bed at 6:30 and he slept till about 5:50 this morning. The molars are definitely a huge part of the problem now.

[scucci1979]

I can only imagine how hard it is to manage preschool around nap time. 

So we got a 1hr and 40min nap with an A of 5hrs and 10min.  She had another nw last night at 4am. Gave her meds, rocked her and she fell asleep on my shoulder. The moment I put her down, she woke up fussing. I kissed her and left. She fussed for a few minutes then went back to sleep. Woke up at 7:10am.
her nap would of been at 12:30, meaning bt would be later. God I hate this.

[newmama12]

Well, today's plan has backfired. Ugh! I seriously am hating PM preschool!

5:50 WU (after a 7:20 BT)
9:15-9:45 nap (I woke him)
1:00-2:00 nap (he woke and is not going back to sleep )

UGH, UGH, UGH!! I cannot do this for the entire school yearl! At least it's only 3 days a week, but, UGH, again!! LOL! Sorry, I'm just so frustrated. I think he's OT. Short overnight, short AM nap (even though I always wake him after 30).

[clairebear79]

(((hugs))) Cyndie - it must be so hard trying to fit his naps round school runs. 

Maybe the later BT last night was a tad too much for him?  Or maybe a 3h 15 A time too much after a 30min nap   (having said that we did 30min AM nap followed by 3hr A time today & DS napped for 40mins ). 

I would be wary of letting that AM nap creep its way earlier again though, or you might find your WU starting to get even earlier.  I am convinced this is what helped us with our EW & you with yours.  You might just have to ride things out for a while if he is extra sleepy with teething though.

If its any consolation our naps are in a mess too.  DS is poorly with cold & chesty cough & he is seeming rather tired in the AM & is dead to the world when I go to wake him but then he is resisting his PM naps.  I feel like I havent worked out the right A times for him.

Yesterday went:
Wake: 6.15            (11h 15 night sleep)
Nap:  9.45 - 10:30  (let him have 45mins since extra sleepy & poorly - he was really crabby when I woke him)
Nap:  2.30 - 4.00   (I put down at 3.5hrs A time but he did 4hrs - after a 45min nap  ) woke at 40mins crying then back to sleep.  Woke himself at 1.5hrs)
BT:    7.30            (PD at 7pm but chattered for ages - my guess is UT due to PM nap being too late in day)

Today:
Wake:  6.25           (11h night sleep)
Nap:   10.00 - 10.30 (took 20mins to settle.  I woke him - he was reasonably happy)
Nap:    1.30 -  2.10   (I aimed for 3hrs A after a 30min nap but TBH think he was UT.  Bouncing in bed, chatting, then woke himself, happy after 40mins)
BT:     6.50              (think should have done earlier BT but O rarely tacks on lost sleep at night so will usually just mean earlier WU)
BT:   7.30         

I'm finding he needs to go back to a 2 nap day after a few 1 nap days, but any more than 1 & it all goes wrong again.  I'm not sure if I just need to allow a longer A to his PM nap, but then that will leave us with not enough A to BT.  I don't really want to lengthen his day if I can avoid it as he then sleeps a shorter night.  So my only options are to assume today was down to his cold & try again tomorrow but maybe do PM nap 15mins later, OR cap the AM nap even shorter, OR do 1 nap.  And Stick To It so he gets used to it.  What do you think ladies

[newmama12]

Thanks Claire! He's been having odd nw's too. Nothing that I've had to go into his room for but he's been waking up around 3am and/or 4 and then again before 6am for the day. That's gotta be those dan molars!
I was thinking this morning, after I put him down, that I should have put him later than 9:15. I was, initially, worried that having him sleep much past 10 would 'mess up' the PM nap (since we're on such constraints). But...I think if I did 9:30-10 or even 9:45-10:15 (depending on his WU) he will be more ready for the 12:45/1:00-2:40 PM nap. Assuming that everything goes as planned, that still puts us at 2.25-2.50 hours of naps a day. Might be a bit much sooner than later. So, yeah, it's tough to try and work all this out!   

[scucci1979]

Claire, what i did was aimed for a one nap day with a decent wake up time. if she didn't nap well, I would fit in a CN.
What you are doing is fine. You can gradually increase the one nap days so he can get used to it. Other then that, your days look fab.
I hop he feels better soon.

Cyndie, what is his A time right now? What is the longest he can do?

Alyssa gave me a 11.5hour night last night. I think it was b/c she napped for 1hr and 40min.  Today she napped for 1hr and 50min so I aimed for bt 5.5hours later and she just fought me a little. She wanted me to rock and cuddle her. It must be some sA she is going through. She didn't even yawn at all during wd. She kept playing. This has to be a spirited thing.

oh great! I can hear her fuss right now. I have no idea what her problem is. She has to be tired. That would give her a whopping 6hr A time. 

[lulunut]

Sounds like everyone is having some rough times.  Hugs for everyone.  I too can't imagine working naps around school.  I am sure I will experience it when LO3 comes along!  Yikes!

Claire-how did you get rid of the EW's?  
We had 5am with AP until 5:30.  When we went to the store (9am)he fell asleep in the car which became a challenge to push the cart and my DD in it.  I had to hold him while I shopped! That was interesting!!  He didn't budge!

12:30 nap for 1.5 hours
7:30BT

Good news...DD went to sleep on her own!  Good sign for the future!!

I agree with Sabs CLaire.  With EW do 2 naps.  I also found that when my LO's were sick.  I just let them sleep whenever but no later than 4pm.  I didn't want to mess up BT.

Sabs- I hope the night turned out ok for you.

[newmama12]

Sabs, oddly his A times aren't very long. After WU in the morning, he's ready for a nap after 3 hours A. By 2.5 hours of A he is fussing. I try and hold have him do 3.5, with an occasional 4 (but rare). This nap, I usually only let him sleep 30 minutes. He can usually go a good 2.5-3 hours. He gets crabby, eats and then recharged after lunch. Typically, he gets about 3 hours A between the AM and PM nap. If he takes a 2 hour PM nap (which is not always the case) he can easily do a 4 hour afternoon. That's why, yesterday, when he did almost a 2 hour nap, I had him do about 4.15 A. He was definitely ready for bed after that and fell right asleep.

This is what he's been doing for awhile now....

5:15-6:15 WU anytime in there (lately, it's been on the earlier end)
9:30-10 nap (I wake him)
1:00-2:30/3 (he wakes on his own)
6:30-7 BT (depending on length of the PM nap)