Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[dijjibob]

Thank you for advice. Yesterday she had a catch up day at cm with 20 min nap in am A two hour pm and nearly 12 hour night so went have tried a one nap today, one hour so far so my fingers are crossed. How did everyone else's day and night go.

[j.and.e]

We are all messd up with 1st wk of nursery. We have been getting ok nites 6pm-5ish, but naps are totally wild! Last nite 1 nw at 3.30, i suspect OT/cold, but A times are pretty low (as he's getting massively tired). The gd news is we broke the handholding 2sleep prop with wi.wo last wk! Xx

[Spleenie]

Grrrrrrr  all was going well but things have gone a tad pear shaped.

When Katelyn was having a 2 hr nap during the day we were getting a NW which lasted 2 hrs, we reduced her nap to 1 hour and she was sleeping thru for 12 hrs.

Now she waking up 45 mins after we put her to bed at bedtime, lastnight she was awake for 2 hrs.

I have no idea if i should be letting her nap for longer or shorter 

Any ideas?

Her EASY (it was working)

7.30 - awake
1pm - Nap
2p, - Woke her up otherwise she would have a 2 hr NW
7.30 - Bedtime

[dijjibob]

I would be more inclined to say waking 45 minutes after going to bed is OT as always was with DD1 although DD2 will be 30 minutes. Not sure this is advice that is okay with BW but if I didn't intervene when DD1 woke on an OT night she would cry but resettle herself. If I went in it would kind off disturb her and it turned into like taking a lay nap and would need A time before she could go back to sleep. Could you give a longer nap maybe 1.5, or earlier bt with the shorter nap. I am sorry didn't use your user name but on phone and don't know how to go back to check without loosing the message.

Lo took a 2 hour nap today after 5 hour nap although a little disturbed and then bedtime 5 hours later fingers crossed.

[Spleenie]

Thanks for your reply  

I left her to cry for a good 15/20 mins lastnight before I went in, she stayed awake for 2 hrs. I thought if she was O/T she wouldnt have stayed awake for that long,

I think I might try the 1.5 hr nap if things continue the way they are.

Why oh why are these babies sooooo complicated?

I hope you have a settled night   x x x

[ZacsMumme]

I left her to cry for a good 15/20 mins lastnight before I went in, she stayed awake for 2 hrs.

was your Dd mantra crying or grizzling on and off or crying for you? If she is crying can you use WI/WO or GW to try to help yet her to sleep. BW does not Support CiO or CC in any form.

[*Kara*]

Her EASY (it was working)

7.30 - awake
1pm - Nap
2p, - Woke her up otherwise she would have a 2 hr NW
7.30 - Bedtime

I think you have just gotten to the point that a 12 hr night is just not reality anymore... waking 45 mins after BT is OT for sure.    She is at that point that she still needs a good nap to handle a decent A time.. but robbing her of day sleep to get a good long night just causes OT buildup from the lack of good sleep during the day to let her properly restore herself.

You might find that you are better with something like this:
 
Wake 7am
Nap - 1230 - 230
BT 8pm.

[Spleenie]

Thanks for your replies 

I too dont agree with CIO or CC hence I went into her after 15 mins as it was obvious that she needed me and wasnt going to resettle on her own as she was grizzling all the time, I dont think rushing in straight away is really the way to go all the time.

I began "robbing" her of her daytime sleep as when she was having a 2 hour nap she was waking up at 2.30am wanting to play for 2 hours.

Yesterday's EASY -

7.30 - Wake up
1.10 - Nap
2.10 - Woke her up
7.30 - Bedtime
7.45 - Asleep
8.30 - Woke up and then resettled after 10 mins with DH cuddling her

She woke up at 7.50 this morning x x x

[ZacsMumme]

I agree rushing in doesn't always help, and if your LO wasn't crying an I need you cry but moaning and grizzling holding back to see if they can resettle is fine. BW does not believe in CCor CiO in any form so I had to check this wasn't being discussed on the boards sorry Hun

[dijjibob]

Hi ladies I  sorry I didn't mean leave baby crying for ages, I just don't rush in straight away, I have a video monitor and can see if my Los are sitting or standing At cot crying or crying in a way I know they are going to settle.

[clairebear79]

Spleenie - agree with Kara you might have to accept a slightly shorter night since it does look like she is getting OT with only a 1hr nap.  If a later BT doesn't sort our your NW, perhaps a compromise is 1.5hr nap?  Whichever you try I would do it for a good couple of weeks to see what effect it has, before you make any more changes.

7.30am WU
1.00/1.30 - 2.30/3 Nap
7.30/8pm BT

This is something I am considering now as our night's are 10-10.5hrs - DS has a 2hr nap.  We've pushed everything later & are still getting a short night so I am now looking at cutting nap back to 1.5hrs & hoping this will lengthen the night.  As Kara says I think if nap is *too* short then its just not restorative enough for her to cope with the 5hrs A to BT.  HTH.x

[Spleenie]

Thankyou, will go with the 1.5 hr nap and see how we get on.

Let me get this straight ... signs of O/T are waking up 45 mins after going to sleep and U/T can cause longer NW's which can last hours? x x x

[clairebear79]

Yes.  OT often causes early evening WU's in the first couple of hours after BT, but can also cause restless early mornings & EW.  But then UT can cause EW too!  Its so tricky!  I think really if you get crying NW's its more likely OT whereas happy playing NW's more likely UT.  HTH.xx

[Spleenie]

Okay, so its 2.50am and Katelyn is nearly settling to go back to sleep after a 2hr NW.

Her EASY was -

7.45 - Woke up
1.10 - Nap
2.20 - Woke her up
7.45 - Asleep
9.10 - Woke up and resettled herself
12.45 - Woke up crying and then began chattering
2.45 - Settling to go back to sleep

I dont know if she's UT or OT  x x x

[*Kara*]

Okay, so its 2.50am and Katelyn is nearly settling to go back to sleep after a 2hr NW.

Her EASY was -

7.45 - Woke up
1.10 - Nap
2.20 - Woke her up
7.45 - Asleep
9.10 - Woke up and resettled herself
12.45 - Woke up crying and then began chattering
2.45 - Settling to go back to sleep

I dont know if she's UT or OT  x x x

OT.  Without question.  She is waking up and resettling then also waking and needing you to get back to sleep.

A one hour nap is not enough.  I would give her 90 mins as a nap, then push BT if needed.