Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[Jem88]

Last night wasn't too bad, we only had 2 NWs where i had to go in and resettle. I did have her in bed before 3.5hr A time but she didn't settle until nearly 4hr A time so i then had to wake at 3.30pm. Our routine yesterday was:

22nd.
5.30am - up.
9.30am - nap. A time 4hr.
10.00am - up. 30mins.
1.55pm - nap. 3hr 55mins.
3.30pm - up. 1hr 35mins.
6.55pm - Bed. A time 3hr 20mins.

She then woke at 9.45pm(Needed to go in and resettle) 2.30am(she just stirred but i didn't need to go in) She was then woke at 4.20am and was awake "playing" until 5.30am but then slept until 7.10am but she did stirr at 6.30am but didn't wake properly. x

[clairebear79]

j.and.e - I think that yes he does need a longer A to BT than 5hrs after such a long nap, HOWEVER, if you push BT out alone this will make his day really long, and could make him get more OT.  I really would bring the nap a touch earlier (just as a short term thing) so you can shorten up his day, get past the OT & ^then^ you can push it all out later again.  Something else to consider is that you might find you still get a short night if he naps over 2hrs in the day.  At 15/16 months we had to cap DS's nap at 2hrs max or he'd only do 10hrs at night. 

[*Kara*]

I would push BT, but not too far!  I would try 730pm for a few days (5 hrs A time to BT).  If it keeps up with the shorter nights, start to cap his nap at 2 hrs

[j.and.e]

Thanx ladies. Thur he did a lovely nap 12.00-2.30 then asleep at 7.15 and up at 4.58! Ugh. Had 2 naps Fri as he droppd off while out so did two 40min naps at 10 and 3, then bt 7pm up 5.25am. The child wont sleep! Will try for 11.30/12 nap, or if he cant last maybe just 20min at 10. Xx

[trimbler]

j.and.e and Jem88 - sending (((hugs))) your way, don't have any more advice for you, Claire and Kara being so helpful as always

Hmmm.... I really don't know what's going on with us! Last Thursday was DS last ever 2 nap day at his childminders - we've decided! Yesterday was approx:

06:30 Up (after a shorter-than-ideal night)
11:45 nap (woke crying at 45mins and 1.5h but quickly resettled himself each time ... then was still asleep at 2:20 when I went in to wake... but he didn't rouse easily so I waited a bit before trying again... 2:30 - managed to wake him!)
7:20 PD, took about 20mins to settle but was starting to show slightly OT signs...

Today:
06:30 Up (assuming he woke around then, I woke to my alarm!)
11:45 nap - only 1.5h, tried to resettle for ages but he really didn't seem to need more sleep??? Was quite happy chatting until he got bored!
6:30 PD (so already >5h A time from shorter-than-usual nap), but it was babble, babble.... quiet.... babble, babble.... quiet.... babble, babble etc until (hopefully!) finally asleep at 7:20 - ie ~6h A time after short nap???!!! Fearing an OT EW tomorrow...

Ok, so maybe 5.25h 1st A time is too little if he's had a good night's sleep, so I might try pushing to 5.5h after a good night, but I just don't get what to do after a shorter nap? It just seems to take him an hour or so to settle, whether I give him less A time to account for the shorter nap (as used to work...) or push him until closer to the BT he would have had if he'd had a longer nap. Doesn't quite seem right. I guess I should maybe expect a jump in A times now since we're hopefully out of the really ill horrible few weeks so he's getting more quality sleep, and sleep needs start to reduce after 18mo anyway, don't they? But I'm really not convinced by the 6h A time after a 1.5h nap, when just a month ago (before getting ill) he was good on 4.75h after a 2h nap, plus a 10-20min morning nap! He's always made more gradual changes in the past...

[*Kara*]

j.and.e - how old is DS?  There is a weird developmental thing around 15/16 months that many LO's here have been through... horrid naps/short nights/EW and all.. nothing seems to fix it!

[j.and.e]

Kara ds2 is 15months tomorw, so that fits! Today up at 5.25. i tried nap at 11.15 he woke at 12.25. Thought we'd get a cn in the car (did a 30min drive at 5.15) but nope! Pd at 7pm and straight to sleep. Wonder what 2mz will bring xx

[*Kara*]

That could be it then hun... I think the biggest thing looking back is that they are ready for the nap to be at lunch time... maybe push him to noon come hell or highwater and see if he naps longer for you!  It worked for me.. until she woke up with a head full of snot this morning

[j.and.e]

:-( poor baby xx

[*Kara*]

She was a clingy baby today   Poor kid... but she managed an 'okay' 2 hr nap... she was a little restless... but went to bed without a peep in about 35 seconds tonight!  She has a touch of a fever too

[j.and.e]

hope she sleeps it off. My guy did a 10hr nite again, bt the clocks changed here so up at 6am (to him 5am) ha ha! Am going to aim for 8pm bt and accept that he isnt getting much sleep ever...

[Jem88]

Yesterday our naps we're not great and a little all over the place as we went to my OHs parents 1.5hr drive away as they had family over.  She was up at 4.50am for the day after a 7.00pm bedtime and 4 NWs with 1 lasting an hour 10mins. yesterday went:

24th
4.50am - up for the day.
7.50am - nap. A time 3hr.
9.05am - up. 1hr 15mins.
12.50pm - nap. A 3hr 45mins. (This is just a rough guess as not exactly sure what time she fell asleep as my OHs sister took LO for a walk to the shop an she fell asleep on the way there.)
1.35pm - up. 40mins.
7.00pm - Bed. A time 5hr 55mins.

LO stopped at my OHs sisters for the first time lastnight and was in bed for 7.00pm she woke at 11.30am, 1.30am and then was up for the day at 7.00pm. - Well 6.00am as the clocks went forward here. But she was only awake for 5mins each time she woke.

I actually can't believe how well she slept as all week she's been up 3-4 times with 1 nw lasting an hour + and then she's been awake around 5.00am. x

[clairebear79]

Probably b/c she had much less day sleep & a very long day hun - she'll likely have been shattered.  They always do these things with other people anyway - I swear its to make folks think we make it up when we say they dont sleep through!

Glad to see you are sticking with pushing your AM nap out.  Are you planning to cap that nap?  I know you couldn't yesterday due to travelling, but I really think you need to pull that PM nap earlier in order to give her enough A time to BT.x

[Jem88]

Hi, yeah i've been capping the AM nap at 30mins, thinking of making it 20mins and putting her down for the PM nap earlier. She's not back home yet and i've no idea when/how or if she's even slept today - I'm hoping she has lol. Will start a fresh tomorrow though. x

[Jem88]

LO was back home last night and woke more than twice lol. she finally settled at 7.30pm woke at 8.10pm,12.25am,5.05am fell back asleep around 5.30am and then was up at 7.10am.

I'm pleased than she did 2 stretches of 4 an abit hrs BUT we still got that 5am wake up that we've had for all of last week. Yet she slept 1.30am - 7am(would of been 6am) the night before at OHs sisters - ARGH!. x