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I dont know if i should be doing this?
« on: November 02, 2011, 22:25:00 pm »
I have recently started pupd wean our night feeds but it isn't getting better. If anything we are getting less sleep as it takes longer to settle and he is waking as often as every hour. It is hard to post a routine exactly because his naps vary but he now does about a 3hr A time and naps on that can be 30mins or 1.5hrs. They seem to be lengthening since we hit 6mo as they were all 30mins. We have started solids but he is blw so hard to say he is taking a significant amount. We were getting 2 or 3nf and he goes straight back to sleep but sometimes it is 4 or 5. He has never done more than 5hr stretches.  At night but mostly it is 3hrs. We are on a 4hrs easy in the day but sometimes longer if he naps well. He sleeps independently for bt and naps with his lovey. He has no dummy. He is on omeprazole for reflux and it seems well controlled but sometimes when he gets upset the seems to cough a lot and then i think it may be pain. I am so tired of getting up so many times in the night but dont want to cause him pain with pupd. He is 10kg and growing up the chart from 50 to 99th line so i keep thinking maybe he needs the feeds. Wwyd?
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 22:41:45 pm »
{{{{hugs}}}}

How long have you been doing the PU/PD to wean the feeds?  Do you think its likely just not long enough to have had effect?   

R has truly been a rubbish night sleeper from the day and hour she has been born.  At 6 months I am sure we were doing 3NFs.  She is MPI though and i know a lot of the wakings were discomfort and so I fed as she went straight back to sleep and I hadn't it in me to sleep train in the night!!  I tended to apply the rule that she should go as long at night as she did in the day and if it was more than that fed.  Don't know if that helps you though.  I also tend to think if they keep waking after short intervals they may well be hungry.

Will he settle any better at night for DH? 

FYI..at 9-10 months I tackled most of our NFs and she did really well and just seemed more ready then.   
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 23:09:03 pm »
We've got 2 nfs here right now (counting the df).  Every once in a while he drops the second one for a few days but it hasn't lasted.  I've tried putting him off a few times but it's useless, he won't stay asleep for long - he won't even stay asleep if I only feed one side.  He's like B in the growth dept too - started at the 3rd percentile, now at the 75th.  Like Shiv said, I make him go as long at night as he does during the day.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 23:11:02 pm »
We started a week ago. The first night it took 50 min and 50 pupd and we got down to 1pupd on some wakings so i thought it was working. But now he is waking even more often. The issue with dh is he works shifts so often isn't here at night and also he doesn't hear him so it would take me a good 5min to get him up. He did take over one day when k woke at the same time but B was livid by the time i got back. My mum tries in the early evening but no better. My main issue is the fact that he wakes even more often even when it only takes 1 pupd to settle him.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 23:16:17 pm »
Also meant to say i tried to give him a bottle to see how much he takes and sometimes not even an oz. Though sometimes 7oz. He always falls asleep on it though. He often wakes when i lay him down but as long as he is fed and winded he Will go off ok. K was the same but did longer stretches. I weaned him at 9mo with 1 session of pupd. Wished I'd done it sooner. Was hoping for the same i guess.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 23:29:46 pm »
I'd probably keep going for another week and see if anything changes.
Although I just thought, I remember reading that PUPD could aggravate reflux so isn't always ideal with 'fluxers. Not sure if this still applies if the reflux is under control though.
What about offering water only in a bottle instead of the boob/bottle of EBM?
I really cannot see why he would need to eat so often at night when he is going 4hrs+ in the day. Tracy actually said bigger babies should be able to go longer. It does sound like habit (waking and expecting a feed) rather than genuine hunger if he is only taking 1oz or resettling with 1 PUPD. Based on his  growth it certainly doesn't sound like he is going hungry. LOL.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 06:54:36 am »
We were up 9.45 10 12 2 4 and 6 for the day last night. Each time it took me 20mins to resettle him. This is worse than ever. Why isn't it getting easier? I did a df at 10.20ish once he settle for 5mins and he didn't even take that much.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 08:38:45 am »
IME of weaning NF (and we did with DD at 6 months who was BF with one formula bottle at the time). You need to pick a time to feed and then not feed until after that time, it makes for less confusion for your LO. If you secind guess youself and think he could be hingry then cave then it makes for a longer session. if he was say on hour before that allotted feed time then it important that you get him back to sleep even if feed time comes round. If he wakes even 20 mins later then feed for sure but its important that you dont end a PD session with a feed. Make sense?

 How are you doing pu/pd? Sometimes it really is best to limit the PUs as much as possible. Well this ws the case for my DD anyways. Once she realised she wasn't even getting PU then she settled much faster and easier.

 Any teeth at play here? Have you tried medicating on the first or second wake to rule it out?

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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 10:47:32 am »
I followed through on all the session last night. When i df him i was sure he was asleep. I dont cave for the exact reason you say but i do spend the whole time thinking i should. Maybe i should forget the df and pick a time like you say. Maybe bt 7 and feed after 1 once only? I did give him some pain med this morning as he is grumpy but not sure it helped. He may just be tired. Will give some when he wakes tonight and see. Thanks.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 11:19:00 am »
Well it depends where you stand on the BF bubs making it through the night. For me I just knew DD could make it through the night with no feeds at 6/7 months, I cant explain how I knew I just did. Some people would say that a DF plus one NF at this age is acceptable. Is it just the one NF you want to keep?

 You sound pretty unsure in general hon. Not a negative thing, just sayin.'   ;) You need to be fully confident to get through it, you ned to have the confidence that you are doing the right thing.

 
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 19:48:51 pm »
This is my problem. I dont feel confident that he doesn't need it. I did the 1st 3 or 4 nights but the fact that he keeps waking and is getting so upset and taking a while to settle makes me feel maybe? I think the reflux also makes me worry he might be in pain. I'd be happy with 1 feed at this age since he isn't eating much solids yet.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 01:58:30 am »
It is 1.45am and i just fed him on the 4th Wu. 1St 2 took 15min to settle between 10 and 11. Next one 70mins at 12.20. I have given pain meds but since he hates meds he woke up a lot from it. I have made sure he took both sides but i am sure he'll be up soon anyway. I settled in the cot mainly and Olympic picked up to give meds.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 07:39:36 am »
That should have been only not Olympic. He woke again 3.30 and took 15 or 20min to settle then up 6am for the day.
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 14:21:30 pm »
{{{{{{hugs}}}}} We are in a similar situation, and we did the pick a time bit - she goes to bed between 7/7:30 and our day starts between 6:30/7, so we picked 12:30 as the "do not feed before time" and if she wakes even at 12:00, we do pd until she goes to sleep, and then feed when she wakes (as long as it's after 12:30) even if she only slept for 10 min.  We just stopped doing the pu bit as that didn't seem to be working (and now I do remember that that can aggravate some refluxers), and she did scream less last night .  It's really hard to know if you're doing the right thing.  I'd say maybe commit for another week and then re-evaluate?
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Re: I dont know if i should be doing this?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2011, 20:14:29 pm »
Just to update. We changed our reflux meds yesterday and had a much better night. In a way I hope he wasn't in pain all that time but on the other hand I hope we can make some progress now.
Last night looked like this.
7.30 BT
12.30 NW - settled with blankie independently
2.30 NF
5.10 5mins settle in cot with blankie and patting
slept until wu.
So still a few wakings but no long screaming sessions which is better and a decent stretch at the beginning of the night for him. I guess I will stick with it tonight and see how we go.

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