Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #20

[gwcarnes]

Amom- I know how you feel.  We had some bad Nw's there for a while.  I'm not one to give advice right now because our schedule is far from perfect but when I shortened the morning nap to 30 min.   The NW's stopped.  I think she was UT and was sleeping to much during the day.  I went from1 hour nap to 45 to 30 in a few days.  Didn't affect mine much but every child is different. vNow if we could jusy get rid of the EW!!!!!
About the same as usual for use last night.  Here was our EAS yesterday

5:30 up
10:40-11:10-A
1:15-4:00-S
8:15-BT
I think I held out to long on bed time but it snuck up on me.  She was plating then just all of a sudden was OT.
So this morning we made it to 6:00 but we went to be like 45 min later so really she still only sleptless than 10 hours.  Since I have twins it's so hard to have them on different schedules so I'm going for one nap today with S.  I'm goind to aim for noon and see what happens.  Twin sis only did one nap yesterday and slept till 7:30 again this morning!  Dhe's a great sleeper!  Now only if S would do that. 

[amom526]

Ds is 10 months, so I'm not sure what A to do after a 30 or 45 minute nap. Should i try for a 3 hour A, or should i cut it down? I'm starting to realize that he may also have so many NW cause he doesn't really crawl yet, so he may not be getting tired enough during the day.

ETA he woke up at 615 this morning, I put him in for a nap at 930. He woke up crying at 1015 so I'm not really sure what that was. But I was going to wake him at 1015 anyway. I am planning to put him in between 1 and 115 for his pm nap, unless he seems super tired. 

[clairebear79]

amom - I think she may need that AM nap capping.  IIWM I'd cap at 45mins to start with, and shorten the following A time to around 2.75-3hrs.  Whether you cap the PM nap is down to you.  Some mums let their LO's sleep as long as they want, others will wake them.  I am one of the latter, b/c if I let my boy sleep he will do a monster nap & then sleep less than 10hrs at night.  I think if you choose to let him sleep & he goes longer than 2hrs then you just have to be prepared to give him a really good A to BT (so may need a later BT) as if you don't you may find he still does a short night & either wakes early or NW's.  I'd give the 45min nap a try for a while & if the NW's don't reduce then I'd cap at 30mins.

gwcarnes - gosh it must be hard with twins on different schedules so I understand why you are trying the 1 nap!  If your LO's are pretty easygoing, they might just manage the switch with no problems.  However, just keep a really close eye out for OT b/c it can hit them very quickly when they switch to 1 nap.  6hrs A is a long time to nap when they first transition, ideally you want to be aiming for around 5ish hrs to start with but I know this morning with the EW it can't be helped!

In similar position myself with 5.30am WU's ATM & we have already transitioned to 1 nap ugh!  My LO is touchy & VERY sensitive to OT & as soon as he gets a little OT then BAM! we get EW's.  So we've pulled our nap a bit earlier to 11am for a few days & are coupling this with EBT at 6am.  Means we will have to push the nap out all over again, but with EBT he's gotten more sleep last night than he has all week.  Hoping for a decent WU tomorrow!

[lily528]

Been a busy busy weekend so I havent gotten on til now. Claire how are things goIng with the nap pulled back. We've been doing ok...not great. Good nights but today's nap was just an hour :/ (found 2 molars poking through though...could be the culprit ). Yesterday was 1 hr 45 mins. Nights have been 12-13 hrs though. Just trying to stick with things as best we can and hoping it all falls into place. Really hoping for some consistency here. This roller coaster is getting old.

[*Kara*]

Things have been weird here too - figured it out today that it is a tooth coming!  Ugh.  Three days of shorter naps (about 1 hr 30 mins) and her nights are 11 hrs or slightly less.  Medicated today before her nap and she slept 2.5 hrs very soundly.  Will be meding at BT tonight!

[amom526]

Lily- I am with you. This roller coaster is exhausting. I'm about ready to give up. I thought we had a great EASY day yesterday. 45 min nap in the morning. 3 hour A and then a 2 hour nap. We also had a 4 hour A to bedtime which was at 645. I thought we were headed for a great night. This is the worst night we have had in a really long time. He was up at 1245 talking. He has been making intermittent awake noise for the past 1.5 hours and finally got hysterical now at 2 am. I'm wondering if he is getting sick or it's teeth or who knows. But I am so tired of this. He is 10 months old and he has never slept through the night.

[lily528]

I know it feels like you will never conquer this and STAY conquered but that may just be true. Always circumstances that affect their sleep at this age. Some babies more than others I guess. My dd ended up with a fever of 101 last night and 102 this morning. So I def know what's going on with her now. Hoping for a good restful nap from her today. She needs it. :/

[clairebear79]

Sounds like a tough day/night for all of you.  Sending lots of sleep vibes & get well vibes & hurry up teething vibes to you all!xxx

Melissa - we did 11am - 1pm nap & 6pm BT yesterday & he slept til 5.15am this morning so 11h 15 sleep.  Could be better, but its the best night's sleep he's had all week.  So since we pulled nap & BT earlier his nights are lengthening again - phew!  but still means we are stuck in this darn early wake, early nap, early BT cycle.  I sure would like to know how to get out of it!!!

Today he was at nursery & they held him out til 11am for nap & he slept 2hrs.  He would have slept more (& most likely needed to after 5.75hrs A) but I asked them to wake him after 2hrs.  BT was 6pm.

Ladies I have decided that the best way I can try to get consistency in O's day is to keep the nap at the same time, cap it at 2hrs & do the same A to BT.  ATM this is 11am-1pm nap & 6pm BT.  Hopefully this will help to lengthen his night & bring more consistency to his WU.  Once I feel confident he is catching up on the OT I will then shift the entire day forwards by 10ish mins at a time until nap & BT are at a more decent time. 

[*Kara*]

I think I would do the exact same thing Claire - I almost think that you are fighting his current body clock by moving things and that is what is causing his OT - give it a few weeks and it might start to shift on it's own.  DD has always been like that - have to figure out what A times she needs and set her nap/BT according to that while still being very aware of her natural rhythm.

[lily528]

I agree Claire. Good plan. Well turns out dd's ear infection has returned. Dr says the last dose wasn't enough. Poor little one. My god did she scream when he looked at her ears. The people in the waiting room asked if she got shots. I said nope he just checked her ears. She was totally flipping out i couldn't even hear the dr. Was horrendous. Man is she spirited. So back to the diahrea inducing antibiotics.  Yay this poor kid which usually means crummy sleep waking with dirty diapers. Blah can't catch a break here

[*Kara*]

Go and get some probiotics Melissa - it will help keep her tummy in check with the antibiotics   BioGaia are awesome!

[j.and.e]

Hi ladies, i have been nap cutting for 6wksish and DS is 11.5mo. We do 9.30 nap for 30mins then pm nap 1.15ish. He naps 1.5hrs plus (i wake at 3.30). He goes down aroud 7 or 7.30 and i'm happy if he sttn until 6ish. I normally get several cryouts and sometimes have to pat/stroke. I dont know if teeth or OT. Yesterday I did a 9am-9.30 nap (as we were going to see Santa!) then nap2 12.45-2.30 then BT 6.30pm and he woke at 4.30am!!! (So today i did nap 10am-10.30 then 1.30-3.15 and Bt 7.30. He needs at least 3hrs after a 30min nap, will pretty much nap anytime i put him down in the am. He needs at least 4hrs to BT. I am following for support and advice as i feel i am constantly 'managing' his sleep, whereas i never had to worry bout DS1 xx

[*Kara*]

Honestly, I would try to get rid of 2 naps if he is having NW's...  He is getting to that point where the day sleep is too short to properly restore him and his nights are too short as well.  Moving to one nap really did fix this for my DD overnight!

How does he do with OT?

[amom526]

After that awful night last night, DS had a normal day today. We let him have an hour nap in the morning, and he slept just under 2 hours in the afternoon. Since cutting the morning nap even more only seemed to make thing worse for the moment, I am just going to keep things stable for a little longer.

Part of me just wants to switch to one nap and be done with it. He is just not tired during the night. But maybe he's teething and just a tiny bit too uncomfortable to sleep. It's 7 pm and he doesn't seem tired, but we're putting him to bed, because I don't see how he can't not be OT after last night.

We are taking a major trip with a 7 hour time difference at the end of December, so i guess ishouldn't stress about his sleep too much anyway, since it's all gonna go nuts anyway.

Hope everyone has a better night tonight!

[gwcarnes]

Hi Ladies looks liks everyone is having a rough time as well.  We had a VERY bad night last night.  She did not do well with the one nap yesterday.  I can't even remember how many times she woke up last night.  It was awful!  She had to be OT.  Here was our EAS yesterday
6:15-up
11:15-1:45-S
7:00-BT
Up at 5:40 cried around on and off till 6:20.  Back to sleep then twin sister woke her at 7.

EAS today
5:40-6:20 cried on and off then back to sleep up for good at 7:00.
9:00-9:30-S
12:00-2:15-S   sister woke her AGAIN! 
7:00-BT
I guess we will see what happens tonight