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IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« on: December 19, 2011, 16:10:06 pm »
My lo took 45 min. naps since he was 1.5 months old. We tried EVERYTHING and was a slave to the home as we would have to give him 5 45 min nap a day. I was depressed, and on the brink of losing it. I got real serious with the sleep training to make sure he would go to sleep independently. I would wind him down and put him down awake and he would fuss a little and go to sleep. Then a week later he started taking 2 hr. naps! That was three weeks ago. It has been heaven :D Although we still had NW problems. Three days ago he woke after 45 min. then again the next day. I started adding more awake time but that didn't help as he did it again the next day. I am now panicking because I do not want to go to that dark place of OT/UT LOOP again. I didn't realize how depressed I was until he started napping 2 hrs. Now I am back! He is 5.5  months old. (24weeks). His awake time is 2hrs. and 18 min now. I have two sleep training book that have the schedule for a 6 mos. old and it says 2 hrs. awake time for a.m nap and 2.5 hrs awake time for pm nap. So I put him down at 2.5 hours awake time for his pm nap and he woke after 47 min. I figured that since his awake time is 2hrs and 18 min he could handle an extra 12 min. Maybe I was wrong to do that so fast, as he is sensitive to OT. Now his last 3 nights have been HELL! Waking every 2 hours, not being able to settle and falling asleep and then waking 2 min. later because of not taking proper naps.

What should I do? I know that him not having more awake time is just going to perpetuate the problem, but with him not taking good naps and having lots of NW he is really OT. I know from previous experience that if this is a EASY problem because he is not having enough awake time, unless I really push him enough he WILL NOT  take a long nap. BUT....if he is taking 45 min. naps because he is OT, pushing him will make it worse. I say this because before he started taking 45. min naps again, he had a couple of nights of long NW and for a minute I thought the naps were because of the NW. I'ts been 4 days and I really miss the 2hr naps and my happy baby. :-[
Here is my EASY before the 45 min. naps:
bed 7pm
wake 6:30
E-6:30 bf
solids
A-2HRS. 22 MIN
S-8:52-11:18 2HRS. 26MIN. (I later started capping these naps to 2hrs. because he was having a lot NW that I thought was due to him having to much day sleep)

E-10:30
solids
A-2HRS. 25 MIN
S-1:43-4:00 2HRS. 17 MIN
E-4:00
A
bed- went to bed OT because not enough time for CN and couldn't last wout it.Another reason why I capped the naps.
Even when I capped the naps to 2 hrs, we still had major problem with the CN and did not have enough time for it but he couldn't last 3 hrs before bed. So I would put him down around 5:30 or 6 for CNand he would sleep for 20 or 30 min and I would run around the house giving him a bath and be rushed to get him down in time at 7pm. NOT very relaxing for him.

This was friday:
E-wake 6:30 BF
solids
A-2hr.27min.
S-8:57-9:41 44MIN. back to sleep 9:52-11:15 1hr. 22 min

E-11:15
solids
A-2HRS. 13 MIN.
S-1:28-2:21 53 MIN. 2:30 AP BACK TO SLEEP BRIEF ROCKING(DID NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS PROP.. :-[

E-3:00
A
S 4:30 35 MIN. CN

THE LAST TWO DAY HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE:37 min. naps, 57 min naps

Please move this to the EASY boards if you think it would be better there.  :)

« Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 08:58:57 am by creations »

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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 21:23:36 pm »
Don't panic :)
It's only been a few days and there are very many things that can (and WILL) come along to disrupt a lovely sleep routine.  Try not to worry about a little rocking, doing this once or twice isn't going to become a major prop, mainly because you are aware of it.  I rock my LO pretty often for comfort but he still goes to sleep 90% of the time on his own, the other 10% are the off days when he is poorly, teething etc and needs a little more mummy.
If you can do it whilst he is still in the cot you might feel more confident about it.  So PU if necessary but if not then try rocking in the cot with a firm hand, this way he is still feeling the mattress beneath him and you can reduce and stop more easily.  You can do this through the transition to extend the nap.

My first thought is that the night wakes may have been due to teething or gas pain, do you think this might be a possibility?  It's just that sudden NW from a good sleeper is generally for good reason.  This could have been disturbing his naps too.  It isn't just UT that will lead to waking at transition, pain or other discomfort can do it too, teething, too hot, too cold, gas, reflux etc because as LO moves to lighter sleep at the end of a sleep cycle they feel the pain/discomfort and it wakes them fully so they are unable to transition into the next sleep cycle.

My next thought is that maybe (just maybe) your A time on your good naps might have been a little long leading to those extra long naps, and cutting back just a little could have reduced the nap, made it a little earlier in the day and you might then have fitted a CN in for a slightly later BT.  The 'original' NWs might have been down to OT.  Maybe just something to bare in mind for the future - but I know you must have been loving those long naps eh?

OK, so here is the link to recommended A times, bookmark it.
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=64158.0
You'll see that at 5.5 months we'd be looking at 2hrs 15 to 2hrs 30, although the upper end is moving more toward the 6month mark.
I would be tempted not to up the A just yet but to check for other problems, it's only been 4 days, those recent NWs sound more like illness or pain to me.
Does he have any white caps under the gums that you can see or feel?
Any chance he has a cold coming on?

If you can rule out all other possibilities then maybe up the A a little.  You need to stick with a new A for a few days to see results, you won't always get a longer nap from the first day of increased A and the temptation might be to up it again the next day but this is what can lead to major OT.  Take it steadily and you'll get through it.  If your LO find change difficult then only go up in 5 min increments, stay there for 3 days, then up 5 mins, stay for 3 days.


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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 23:56:07 pm »
Well he is almost 6mos.(turns 6mos on jan 5) so looking at some of the other posted EASYs and the sticky for average awake times for 6mos. their awake time is 2.5 so I figured that was why.The NW was the worst when he was in the OT/UT cycle of 45 min naps. He would jolt all night long. Then when he was having naps that were over 2 hrs. then the NW were more of him waking and cooing and talking so those NW were more of UT. Then when he started solids his NW were pain because he was constipated and he moaned and groaned. Now the last 3 nights his NW are more like OT I think due to the recent 45 min. naps because he will wake I will leave HIM to settle when he doesnt I go help him settle in his crib when he doesnt I rock and he go back to sleep in my arms and wake again 1 min. or less later untill finally stays asleep and continues this every 2 or 3 hours. So this (Ithink) is combination of prop (rocking or standing until asleep again) and OT. I know what NW from pain sound like. Let me know if you think I am wrong. the thing is, because he is bf, i never know if he is hungry and I will be glad when I know for sure he can be weaned of night feeding so I can do some sleep training at night.

oh, I also medicated him with gas drops and tylenol and still 45 min naps again.
I also have a post in the EASY forum. Maybe you can take a look at it and tell me what you think?  ??? Its called: Is my EASY causing EW? I don't know how to link it.
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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 16:31:06 pm »
Today wake 6:20/6:30ish
push awake time a little: 2hrs. 27min
nap#1: 2hrs yey! This one never went to 45 min. except once, so lets hope for 2nd nap to be the same...1.5 or 2hrs. also
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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 01:38:14 am »
YaY to LO for the good nap!
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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 04:55:17 am »
I have just skimmed this post and your EASY one hun... I would think you are good to leave him to nap without waking and consider the CN gone!




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Re: IT'S BACK!! HELP!!! ASAP BEFORE IT BECOMES A HABIT!
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 09:04:49 am »
rochellep, as you've had some improvement with the naps I'm going to lock this thread and link over to your EASY thread http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=221947.0 so you can continue to get your EASY tweaked.
Hope that's ok with you  :-*