Need some tweaking help

[my3girlsjde]

So I know they're all capable of STTN, however we've got some routine issues and developmental things going on and we're getting into an OT loop.

Sleep needs are incredibly low with the big girls needing maybe 11 hours and E needing maybe 12.5. Nobody naps, and on the weekends we go out and usually one or more of them will fall asleep in the van. And a half hour nap turns them all into insomniacs at bedtime and typically lasts from 730pm until 10pm And then we get multiple NW's and an EW. I usually compensate the next night by putting them down a bit early and within two days we're sorted out. Until last night.

Our routine usually looks like this on a no-nap day:
Wake 645-715 girls, 715-730 E
Bedtime 715pm and asleep at 745pm girls, 630 and asleep 645pm E

Our routine when they fall asleep in the van is:
Wake 645-715 girls, 715-730 E
Crash nap in the van 1/2 hour
Bedtime 745pm and asleep 9-10 girls, 730 and asleep 830-9ish E

E is teething her second year molars which is giving more nw's than usual and D was up with a sore belly and threw up and J woke with a sore tummy. Needless to say we've all turned into bears today

[my3girlsjde]

How do I fix today? I'd like to start bedtime at 6pm after all of that and E is going to have tons of nw's from her teeth but I don't want to go too early. Thoughts?

[my3girlsjde]

Well that backfired because J was up at 4am.

Anyone?

[Ima shel Alon]

Hi, I am going to move you to the sleeping for toddlers board

[*Becky*]

how are things now Vicki?

[my3girlsjde]

Ugh. There's no way any of them would nap so I think I'm going for the earlier bedtime. Not sure if this is the remanents of last weekends nap in the van but they're clearly OT'd E has something going on and I'm going to take her to a clinic to rule out an ear infection. She's a little more understandable in the sleep issues department but the big girls have proven themselves now. Just have to figure out this OT issue.

Really not sure when to do bt again.

[*Becky*]

how did things look yesterday - can you put down your routine.

Early bedtimes are key here with no nap although I have to be careful HOW early I go so it is tricky.

Has E seen the doc yet?

[my3girlsjde]

Yesterday was much better One nw from D last night and none from J. For some reason it seems to take several days to iron out and then we're back to the weekend where we go out and the inevitably nap in the van I just wish I could figure out their EASY for those days as it seems to throw us off for for or five days after. Or find a quicker fix to the ot/ut loop they get in.

E was seen by the Dr last night. No ear infection, but the new molars are swelling and pushing on her eustation tubes mimicking an ear infection and not sure when the end is in sight for that. she's a long and slow tether Add the horrific cold and wheeze needing puffers, I'm not surprised with her sleep and she crashed yesterday for an hour with me on the couch.

So last night bt was 8pm thanks to the clinic.
J sttn until 715
D one nw at 12ish and an ew at 6ish but she crashed with me at that point.
E nw at 2ish and she decided that it was party time for about an hour and an ew of 630 where she came in with me as well. We were all up by 715for the day. They seem better rested this morning.

My tentative plan for the day for E is no nap as she's seeming fine while mediated and hydrated and an Ebt of 6ish for sleep at 615.
D and J bedtime at 630 for sleep at 7.

Unless anyone has any other suggestions.

[Buntybear]

Sounds like a good plan to me Vicki xx

[*Becky*]

and me xx

[my3girlsjde]

Better last night. didn't get them down as early as I would have liked but it appears we are also dealing with a bug on top of things

Only one ne from E which was great even as we heard her coughing she put herself back to sleep. Pretty sure J sttn again so almost a week and fixed the loop. I'd like to avoid that loop all together but I can't seem to figure out how