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VERY frequent waking
« on: February 17, 2012, 10:47:56 am »
I read all the Baby Whisperer books with my first child and am now part way through rereading them with my second but still I am struggling!

Sleep is the problem for Sam (15 weeks old). He has reflux and is on Aptamil Pepti, Ranitidine and Domperidone and it seems to be settling down. He is a big baby on 91st centile but not greedy (normally has about 26oz per day when well). He doesn't feed in the night (I stopped it because he never wanted his morning bottle).

He uses a dummy which helps with the reflux, helps stop him spitting medicine out and helps him to get to sleep. I wonder if this is part of my problem though - he does nto wake when it falls out but needs it putting back in each time he wakes to help him get back to sleep.

During the day he naps for about 45 minutes at a time (after about 2 hours awake). He often naps longer if in his car seat. In his cot he has a foam wedge to elevate his head but he slides down it.

I put him to bed around 7-7.30 and somethimes he stays settled until the dream feed, sometimes I have to give him his dummy in between. I feed him at 11.00 usually but sometimes he wakes around 10.30 and I feed him then.

Throughout the night he wakes very frequently - 5, 10 even 15 times. If I go and give him his dummy back he will settle back down so I am not up for long but as it is so frequent I am exhausted (I am often tired anyway due to underactive thyroid - Sam has been tested and is fine).

I wonder if I need to try ssshhh pat or PU PD down and loose the dummy, although it is so useful to get him to sleep and to help with his reflux. It seems odd that he wakes so many times yet not immediately as his dummy falls out.

...Now further on in the day he has confused me even more - woken after a 45 minute nap and cried but still with the dummy in his mouth! Maybe the dummy is not the problem after all. During the night it is not always the same amount of time between waking which makes the wake to sleep technique difficult to try.
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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 22:32:33 pm »
Hi there can you post your EASY for us to take a look at and see if anything jumps out.



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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 12:29:46 pm »
Generally:
E 7.00
A 7.20
S 9.00 - 9.45
Y
E 10.00
A 10.20
S 12.00 - 12.45
Y
E 1.00
A 1.20
S 3.00 - 3.45
Y
E 4.00
A 4.20
S 5.30 - 6.00
Bath 6.30
Bottle 6.45/7.00 then bed

It doesn't always go to plan though for 2 reasons
1. I have an older son who I often have to drive to and from nursery, swimming lessons etc and Sam falls asleep in the car even if it is not nap time.

As his nights have been getting worse he has often been feeding a bit earlier in the morning then going back to sleep for a while which messes up the whole day.

Part of me thinks the dummy is the issue and I need to wean him off that but then I worry if I put us all through that and then he continues waking it will have been for nothing and he won't settle easily like he does with the dummy.

I know he should transition to 4 hour EASY soon but he doesn't always take his whole bottle but when he does he refluxes more so smaller more frequent feeds seem to be better.

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 13:20:58 pm »
Hi there, I think that you are probably right that your NW and your short naps are probably being caused either by the discomfort from reflux or the need to transition to a 4 hr EASY. Seeing as you are finding it better to give small frequent feeds I am going to try to get some more reflux eyes on this for you hun. Hang in there. :)

One thing that I will just add is that refluxers often find the pat part of shush/pat too much and prefer a rub on the back or stroke on the head, etc. PU/PD should not be used with refluxers as it makes the acid come up and the pain a whole lot worse. So really you will need to find a gentle way to settle in the cot if you can.



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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 20:44:54 pm »
Well the dummy does seem to comfort him so maybe I should stick with it and hope he learns to find it himself soon. Going to try to to move towards 4 hours and see how it goes and I also think he may need his dose of Ranitidine increasing as he has gained 2lbs since he started on it.

Thanks for the advice re PUPD - I didn't know that would make him worse.

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 20:51:09 pm »
I do wonder if the dummy is the issue here  :-\ - but if it helps the reflux then you may want to try and teach him to replug rather than take it away. I think a lot of babies start to learn at about 6 mths, but I am no expert on dummy use.

Plenty of babies with reflux do manage 4 hrly feeds as they get older - so worth trying at least  :).

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 09:26:03 am »
A friend lent me a sleep curve mattress to try and he woke up half as mucvh last night - if he is better again tonight I shall order one!

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 19:35:18 pm »
How interesting - I just had a look at it and it is designed for comfort rather than reflux isn't it?? I do wonder how many baby wake-ups are due to comfort type things really that they just can't tell us  :(. Like an uncomfortable pair of pyjamas, or mattress, or too hot etc etc.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 19:55:35 pm »
Yes, supposed to help with flathead and comfort - although it is slightly sloped but not much.He does look very settled on it. Fingers crossed for tonight!

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 20:01:37 pm »
Let us know  :-* :-*

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Re: VERY frequent waking
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 21:47:32 pm »
Interesting as it was suggested to us that we used one of these for DD to help with her reflux, but we propped the cot up instead. Hope it works again tonight, fingers xd.

As for the dummy, Liz is right and most LOs can learn to replug at around 6 mo with lots of practise in the day.