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5 mth old and 3 NW
« on: March 18, 2012, 22:52:20 pm »
So my LO is a big boy in98th percentile. He feeds 7oz every 3 days and the past 4 days I have given him 3-4 teaspoons of baby rice in the evening. He naps well during the day although after a few days  away in a hOtel he is a little unsettled and I'm having to rock Him to sleep. He has bath and bottle at 7pm, DF at 10pm (he is usually stirring and wakening when I go to give him this) he will then waken exactly every 3 hrs and take another 7oz. I am exhausted.
He has started to reduce the amount he takes during day time since I introduced solids.
Do I need to reduce the amt I offer at night to encourage him to take more during day?
Or is it because he is feeding to sleep / being held to sleep that he wakens so much? Do I need to work on independent sleep again?
Please please give me some help!

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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 23:48:45 pm »
Or is it because he is feeding to sleep / being held to sleep that he wakens so much? Do I need to work on independent sleep again?
TBH at 5 months I suspect this is part of it. Around 4 months LOs hange the way they sleep, and they partially wake (or fully) every 3-4 hours through the night. If they 'need' something to get back to sleep this is usually the age that this 'thing' they need will become a prop. For us it was the paci ::)

Is your LO fed 4 hrly during the day? Can you post your EAS (including solids timings?)

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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 20:32:05 pm »
He is fed 3 hrly. Would never last 4 hrs! I will post today's schedule as the last week has been a bit crazy due to holiday/visiting family. Today is the first day getting back on track
Waken 7.15am
Eat 7.30am (6oz)
Sleep 8.45am (went to sleep no trouble by himself. Napped for 1hr 45.)
Eat 11am (5oz)
Eat 12 (pear purée)
Sleep 12.15 (45 min nap)
Eat 2pm (6oz)
Sleep 2.40pm ( took long time to go to sleep and I had to lift and rock)
Waken 3.30pm very cross and tired. I rocked and Shush pat but didn't work so took him downstairs
Eat 5pm (5oz)
After this he was exhausted. I put him in cot but he screamed and screamed. I have a 2 yr old so don't have much time to sit and try to settl him. After about 40min I took him downstairs and put in swing. He was exhausted and crying loads! Had to leave him screaming as he didn't even want me to hold him. Eventually he fell asleep in swing and slept for 30mins at 6.40pm.
Bath when he woke at 7.15pm then bottle at 7.30pm fell asleep while drinking and straight into cot.

Where an I going wrong! It seems since lunchtime everything was a disaster! He starts moaning and rubbing eyes after A time of about hr and half. Which I know isn't very long for 5mth old.


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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 23:43:37 pm »
From your routine it looks like your issues, NW and UT/OT loop during the day are from needing to move to a 4hr EASY from a 3hr one ;)
I am going to move your over to the EASY boards for some advice and support on this. :-*
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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 20:17:05 pm »
Hi there!
I'm thinking there is an UT/OT aspect to this, too, but also the need to tweak his overall routine (he's giving signs of needing to move to a more age-appropriate routine).  So, this is what I see:

1) That first A time/nap is pretty good.  Seems like he likes his first A time on the short side...that isn't a problem now, but a couple of things to look out for are: a) he starts short napping this nap = needs an increase in A time, and b) EWs which mean that first A time is too short and his body treats the first nap like an extension of night sleep = needs an increase in A time.

I would say, though, that he's ready for more A time for the rest of his day.  That 2nd nap looked UT to me and then he had some OT naps after that because he hadn't had a restorative nap since the AM.  So, for his second A time, increase that by 15min or so every 2-3 days until that nap lengthens.  Then, you'll have a good idea what his 3rd A time is likely to be, and for his last A time before bed--after, ideally, a catnap--it will be about 30 minutes less.

2) Is he formula fed?  He's eating quite well, but I bet if you were to gradually extend the time between his feeds, you'd see that he'll eat about the same as on the 3h feeding routine.  You said that by adding in solids, his milk intake dropped...by how much?  Also, if he's eating every 3h at night, that could very much affect his appetite during the day.  How long has he been eating every 3h at night?

By my calculations, if he's eating what you posted during the day, plus 7oz every 3h at night, that's a LOT of milk.  I would definitely work on resettling at night without the feeding.  I'd start with the first post-DF night waking, resettling him if it hasn't been at least 3.5/4h since the last time he ate.  Then after a few days of doing that, see if he can go longer.  It's not that I think he might not need to eat at all at night, but definitely not every 3h.

I know it's mainly advised to give solids at 6mo+, but if your little guy needs more during the day--instead of making up for it at night--I think it's a good thing to give him solids throughout the day (not all at once, but working up to it)...if the weaning from the night doesn't help.

Here are some links that I think you'll find useful:
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=67569.0
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=67978.0 (especially read the paragraph that starts "If a baby at this stage is still feeding every three hours")
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63161.0

I think you'll find it easier to get him on a 4h+ routine as he goes longer between feeds (his tummy will hold more), and his A times increase (bc the longer A times will push the naps closer to the next E time).  His routine doesn't have to be an exact EASEAS, but can be EASAEAS...like you're already doing, just to make sure he's hungry enough to get a full feed in.

HTH...I feel like the info might be a bit jumbled (my brain is firing off faster than I can type).  Please let me know if you have any questions :)
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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 20:55:57 pm »
Wow thank u,fantastic information and help! We have lots to work on! I actually tried feeing him every 4 hours today and it went really well. He took 7oz comfortably! Our routine today was
7am waken and bottle
8.45am sleep, went over very easy but only napped for 45 mins. Possibly OT but I was just following his signals and the minute he seemed sleepy I took him to bedroom.
10am bottle
We then went out for walk and he fell asleep in pram at 11 and slept until 1.30pm!
2pm bottle
3.30pm fell asleep on sofa as I was busy with older child
Slept for 45 mins.
6pm bottle and 7.30pm bath and bottle.

I realise he wasnt Put into cot for naps but not sure how tonight will go!

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Re: 5 mth old and 3 NW
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 15:37:02 pm »
7am waken and bottle
8.45am sleep, went over very easy but only napped for 45 mins. Possibly OT but I was just following his signals and the minute he seemed sleepy I took him to bedroom.
I'd actually say possibly UT for that nap.  But, I'm a believer in patterns, so if he keeps doing 45 minute naps after that amount of A time, then I'd consider keeping him up for a teensy bit longer (tired signs can also become less reliable at this age, even habitual).

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