11mo and multiple NW with no obvious correlation to anything

[Bex09]

Ooh reading yours and Bec's posts has just made me think about C and her NW at this age. So around 12 mo we started to use a night light, mainly so C could see to find her dummy. But for whatever reason it really helped her sleep. This from a baby so spirited it had to be pitch black for her to even consider sleep! We still use the night light now but also have blackout blinds up so it doesn't get too light in the morning.

Also when C slept on her tummy, things were always better. I guess it pushed the gas out or something. So fingers crossed that helps. I know what you mean about the tummy sleeping worry, even when C didn't wake I used to be up checking on her! Lol.

Have you tried tummy massage bafore sleep? We used to do this as part of our BT after bath routine and that would sometimes help with getting wind out. Plus I still rub C's back now after her BT milk to make her burp! Way too old for needing that I know but if it helps her I don't care. Hope some of that helps lovely.

[Khalam's Mama]

I still rub Bs back after milk just to be sure too. I did try the tummy massage a while back but seem to have forgotten about it lately. It is hard because he is so grumpy by the end of the day he is barely still for his BTBF let alone a massage but will try to use it consistently for a while to see if it helps.
I will turn on the night light on his monitor and see if this helps as it isn't too bright.
He has usually stirred several times by now but not a peep out of him yet (it is 10pm) so maybe he likes his tummy? FX.

[becj86]

I wonder if he's more gassy when you feed at night and is waking from that? Logan was always gassy at night if I fed him when I was a bit engorged - just a bigger flow of milk had him gulping... would you try lying back a bit if you feed at night?

Hear you on the light thing - we have ended up with a backlit clock radio in our room that lets a tiny bit of light across the hall to his room. Its enough to be able to tell there are white bars on the cot but I can't see where he is in the cot with that amount of light... Any more and he can't get to sleep, and less and he doesn't know where he is.

Are his blankies all the same? Would he be looking for a favourite one that smelt a certain way or had a particular feel?

Maybe the tummy sleeping will help. Hope so!

[Bex09]

Finges Xd for you here, let us know how you go on tonight. If the NF seems to make things worse I would be even more inclined to think tummy issue of some sort though. If anything else does come to mind I will post back, going to sleep on this one!

[Khalam's Mama]

Thanks. I should too. Will let you know.

[LouiseV]

Wow you have been SO vigilant covering everything!!!

Ok - more straws......

Have you tried melatonin / white noise / keeping him awake longer in the day as I heard it can be general UT that can do this (although Im pretty sure you would have looked at this )

It's 6pm here and reading your posts reminds me of the mental battle I'll be going through in about 4 hours time.....is he in pain? is this habitual? Should I go in? SHould I leave him? Is he OT? WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON!!!!!!!! hehe

[Khalam's Mama]

Sorry becj I didn't see your reply last night. Generally I don't feed until the 3rd or 4th nw at 5ish now I know it only makes him worse so I can't blame all nw on that.
The blankies are all just plain muslins and he doesn't mind which he gets at bt so I doubt he is looking for one in particular.
He slept 4.5hrs on his tummy and woke at 12mo, 3.50 and 6am last night. No long nw at least.

[Khalam's Mama]

Louise I haven't tried melatonin but am hesitant to tbh.  I might look into some natural sources 1st.

[Bex09]

Hi hun, well like you say at least the NW were quick and not long! How do you manage to settle him? DO you have to PU or just a hand on him? Did you feed last night at any NW? Does he always tend to wake at 12, is that habitual do you think? Sorry for the 20 questions, just trying to see if we can figure something out for you.

[Khalam's Mama]

Ask away any thoughts are appreciated. He often wakes before 12mo but it seems to be getting later. I think dh coming home from work has been waking him then last few nights.
I had to pick him up. He is never happy with a hand.
He came up in a rash tonight and the Dr said it is chicken pox so who knows what we get tonight.

[Bex09]

Oh no hun, poor little B! How is he doing? Well no doubt that will really stuff your nights up for a while... the joys of illness hey? Sending get well soon vibes.

[Khalam's Mama]

I am about the jinx myself but he only woke 2x last night at 12.50 and 4am then slept until 7am so no worse than normal and infact the best I get from him.
We managed 1 nap today (3hrs 15mins). I didn't deliberately push him but let him sleep as long as he wanted at his nap and then he seemed perfectly fine at BT. He seemed UT at BT tbh but I think maybe it was OT really as I can't believe he was UT after 5hrs A. He kept standing up and crying and getting on all fours in the cot. But maybe just feeling a bit out of sorts. The spots seem slightly better than yesterday so I am hoping we are past the worst of it and he only has a mild case.

[bug_blues70]

Hi KM! I'm following along to hear any ideas b/c DS is just the same. We've had lots of issues, but there are none left that I know of and he still wakes every 2-3 hours. I can't figure out why...

I'm interested to hear how your night goes after the one long nap... ?

The only thing that I can think of is that maybe you could try to extend your morning atime just a little bit. When DD was going through her 2-1, she suddenly started having lots and lots of NW and it was finally resolved by lengthening out her morning atime. She was always so tired for her first nap and would go right down and sleep a long time, so I never extended it, but when I finally did, her NW stopped. The only difference is that she was pretty good about STTN before that The other thing is maybe he's actually OT and needs slightly shorter atimes... I say this b/c your 2nd two atimes are shorter than the first and yet you say he's grumpy in the evenings, kwim? So yes, I realize I'm contradicting myself here, but you could try one and if it doesn't work, try the other. I HTH and I hope you figure out what will fix these NW and when you do, let me know what does it so I can get Milo to STTN!!!

[Khalam's Mama]

Lol I will let you know if I work it out.
Not 100% sure about times last night as my phone automatically put clock forwrd but not sure when. Anyway he slept from 7.15 bt to 1.40 am, then woke at 4ish and 6.15 and up for the day at 8.15 which is 7.15 to his body. So we did get a long stretch in the early evening.
I will try to stretch the 1st a and do a 12 or 12 15 nap and then bt at 7.30, which will be 6.30 to him and only 11hr day. Assuming he takes a decent nap anyway. I think some of the later wakings were in part due to him itching as I didn't redo the cream o/n. Maybe I should have.
I think part of him being grumpy in the evenings is I often wake him from that 2nd nap.

[LouiseV]

We use natural tart cherry melatonin. No word yet on if it's helping though!!!!

Have you tried a safe t sleep for tummy deep pressure?