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The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« on: March 30, 2012, 19:34:46 pm »
We have been having lots of sleep issues lately, initially due to illnesses.  When that went away, there was the issues of too cold, too warm, blanket, etc, followed by later and later bt.  Childcare suggested to try for offering DS to choose if he wants to nap or rest either on the couch or quiet activities and it started yesterday.

I was expecting DS to be very tired at pick up and on the way home but he was coping really well after a short 10.5h night.  However, he still couldnt fall asleep earlier than 9:30pm.  Oh and we went to daylight saving time one week ago.  Last night at 2:30am, he was screaming probably from his dream and OT.  He woke at his usual wake time 7:40, so an hour earlier than before the time change.

Today, he was tired and had very short night, 10h with a NW, so we offered him to rest on the couch to read or sleep and he feel asleep reading and napped 3-4pm.  He was tired, he was tired when he woke up, and he was tired the rest of the afternoon.  I think he is asleep or almost there now at 9:30.  

My questions are:
1) we were obviously hoping that by removing the nap, he would go to sleep earlier and have a longer night.  How long would it take to see that happening?
2) he is also going through a developmental leap and so dreams disturbed his sleep a lot, so would it be like treating it as sleep training that we dont sleep train when he is going through a growth spurt?
3) do we need to try our best to keep him up the whole day to "encourage" the switch?  As i have read that some of you do a few no nap days and then add in a nap to avoid OT, how do you work out the frequency?  I offered the rest time today and DS fell asleep.  He was obviously very tired.  
4) has anyone's lo has such a biological clock like DS that is so difficult to change?  What have you tried to help them?
5) due to lots of big changes, losses, illnesses and growth spurt, DS has been feeling insecure and wanting us to stay with him till he has fallen asleep.  It goes back to the same question about sleep training, we are trying to help him calm down to fall sleep as he gets totally panicky if we even step out to the loo and he has difficulty falling asleep even when he lays there very quietly and yawning, or are we the prop that prevent him from sleeping?
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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 20:54:34 pm »
) we were obviously hoping that by removing the nap, he would go to sleep earlier and have a longer night.  How long would it take to see that happening?
I found about two weeks,

do we need to try our best to keep him up the whole day to "encourage" the switch?  As i have read that some of you do a few no nap days and then add in a nap to avoid OT, how do you work out the frequency?  I offered the rest time today and DS fell asleep.  He was obviously very tired. 
We enforced "no" nap to help it happen quickly.  If O did fall asleep we let him have 20mins power nap and still did early bt.

DS has been feeling insecure and wanting us to stay with him till he has fallen asleep.
You may find this stops as he's so tired.  With O  we were getting mutiple call backs and wanting us to do x y z but it stopped without the nap.
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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 21:40:54 pm »
Thanks, Laura.  how early is early bt?  He couldnt fall asleep last night but then perhaps it takes time to adjust. 

If I enforce no nap, should i be prepared for poor behaviour, tantrums, kind of stuff?  He just didnt seem tired at all and not even Ot nor hyper yesterday. 



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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 07:22:16 am »
DS woke up at 5:30 and took perhaps  half an hour to resettle him to sleep and he had almost 12h night incl the NW.  I will push for no nap today and tomorrow to see and early bt.  Would a 12h day be pushing it for no nap day?




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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 12:22:55 pm »
I would aim for asleep by 11.5hrs.  Yes expect some meltdowns!  (((hugs)))
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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 19:38:57 pm »
Oh thanks!!   It is our 5th anniversary and we had visitors with us for dinner, so DS was too excited but we managed just under 12h by the time he fell asleep, so i guess all in all, it was very good and he fell asleep much sooner than the last two nights.




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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 19:47:07 pm »
FX for a nice long night and congrats for the anniversary :-*
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 19:58:07 pm »
Thanks, sweetie :*



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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 17:55:34 pm »
He had one better night and then we "had" to go to FIL's birthday party and DS fell asleep int he car from 5:10-6 :'(. Fell asleep at 9:30 and had 10h night, woke at 7:20. 

 No nap today and he was about to fall asleep as we were just
parked!  Almost 8 now, he is still so awake :(. I think no matter what time i pick him up, he would fall asleep :(. Is it better to let him sleep 10mins?  He would be really grumpy, though.  Why is this so hard?



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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 18:34:24 pm »
Is it better to let him sleep 10mins?  He would be really grumpy, though.  Why is this so hard?
We did power naps rather than allow O to sleep or try and keep him too awake.

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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 18:41:13 pm »
So power naps meaning a very short nap, right?   We just couldnt wake him yesterday as it was a long drive.

He finally fell asleep at 8 which isnt so bad afterall.  I was just so worried listening from outside.  We still have to stay with him but at least no screaming fits nor NWs, fx



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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 18:42:04 pm »
I would go for 20mins as after 20mins they tend to come out of the deep sleep... I think!

FX for you!
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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 19:06:33 pm »
Ok thanks!  I will try that!  I guess ideally it wouldnt be so close to bt that the
power nap takes place but we just couldnt stop it :(.



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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 19:38:58 pm »
I found with O that actually it didn't tend to matter too much if it ended up being near bt.
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Re: The dreaded 1-0.. Long
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 20:08:51 pm »
Good to know so i didnt have to get too stressed out!  Thanks xx