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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 21:27:07 pm »
Monster hugs hun!

You mentioned that he is a spirited wee man - could  very well be the start of the 2-1.  There is another momma here with a spirited wee man who made the move at 8.5 months!  Spiriteds do prefer night sleep to day sleep overall so it could well be that is the case with him too.

It really sounds like there is something too the fact that he needs to be really drowsy to fall asleep for you - sounds like it could be a bit of OS?  I would stick with a short WD given his temperament and just try to have a good 10-15 mins of books/walking about before starting his WD to help him relax.

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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2012, 00:56:54 am »
well our wind down is really short. I used to read just one story and then put on white noise and sing him a song (he would doze on my shoulder during the song) now its just the song and into bed. he needs white noise which is why he doesnt sleep well at daycare because they dont do that, they play soft classical music and that just does nothing for him.

for the question of his reflux meds, hes on Losec 2x a day 10mg each. he hasnt been on Ranitidine for months now
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2012, 02:23:18 am »
(((HUGS)))) I gotta run but I'll read thru tmr and try to help. I know how you're feeling, my DD only recently started sttn at 2.5yo and DS is 8mo and wakes often. I've tried bw techniques, asked, begged for help, felt tired and miserable. It does get better, I promise!!


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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 09:07:04 am »
hes so spirited that he cannot go into bed with his eyes open. he needs to have his eyes closed (not asleep just relaxed) and into bed. I do not need to pat him to fall asleep unless hes mega OT. just to clarify, he is still awake when he goes into bed but he just has his eyes closed because he just cannot switch off. Ive tried long wind downs, short wind downs, it doesnt matter, he needs to be relaxed enough as he goes into his cot. I even talk to him as Im lowering him into his cot and I know he is still awake but dozing.
Am going to be very honest and say I think this is a huge issue.  I think it doesn't matter that he is still awake.  If he is at that dozing, very nearly asleep point then it is very likely a prop issue.  I think you need to work at getting him down more and more awake and start teaching him to do it for himself KWIM?  Because I think when he wakes in the night he doesn't know how to get himself drowsy enough again to drop off and then when he wake at 4/5am he has just had enough sleep to stay awake.  And if you don't want to work on that then I think at NWs your best bet would be to replicate your winddown and lift him and sing your song until he is drowsy but awake and put him back down.  I think with any sleep training you have to settle NWs in the same way you work on settling intially and it could be he just is really confused.

Does that make sense?  I think you need to push the independent settling for naps and bedtime and ultimately that will help with NWs.  I know you say he can't go down with his eyes open but I think you need to start putting him in a bit more awake and then ssh-patting if necessary to get him to sleep then a bit more awake a few days later until you are putting him down fairly awake and he starts to do the rest himself.

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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2012, 09:11:05 am »
yes I agree with Shiv. It makes a lot of sense. Hugs hun xxx




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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2012, 14:19:33 pm »
I have the same problem, please try to stay calm.  I know I have lost it many nights and need my husband to take over or at least give me 5 minutes to collect myself.  I never thought I would do this, but I have read a lot about attachment parenting and I starting letting my baby sleep next to me in bed.  He is 9 months, so I am not concerned about suffocation.  I keep blankets and pillows away from him.

He still wakes about every 2-3 hours but is getting better gradually.  If I give him his Nuk he will go back to sleep withing 5-10 min.  I stopped going to him in his crib.  This has been much easier, and although not a solution, he is starting to sleep longer and go back to sleep easier. 

Look for little bits of progress.  He won't all of a sudden sleep through the night.  But he is making progress and I am happy about that.

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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2012, 14:28:10 pm »
I know you said you don't think he is UT but I'm wondering if on days at home when he naps well whether you could push his A times a little to get a longer day and so later BT.
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2012, 15:06:10 pm »
Another thing that occured to me hun looking at your EAS is that a 5am wake up after a 6pm bedtime isn't an EW.  KWIM?  I set bedtime at that age because both mine only ever did an 11 hour night (with NWs!) so EBT didn't work here  as they didn't tack on.  Does he normally tack on to his nights for you?  If not it may be worth thinking about a later bedtime or else getting into the frame of mind that his day will start 10.5/11 hours after you put him to bed.  I have done silly EBTs here on occasion as Rosa is being a pain with her sleep but I know she'll be up 11 hours later and I know i'm going to have to suck it up even if she is up far too early than is reasonable (for me!).  EBTs don't happen too often here for that reason!





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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2012, 21:20:31 pm »
yeah I realise that 11 hours is ok, but with about 5 NW's and only an hours worth of daysleep the day before I didnt feel it was enough :(

ok so Ive tried just putting him down for a nap like you suggested, eyes open etc and hes gone to sleep fine.

heres how yesterday went

Awake 4.35 but managed to get him back to sleep for 15 mins till 6am
wake 6am
nap 1 8.30am - 11.15am!!!!!!!
nap 2 2:15 (was watching for tired signs here) till 3.45 (I had to wake him)
bedtime 6.30pm

he woke at 8.30pm and i resettled him, then he woke at 9.30 and I thought to give him a bottle so I did and guess what.. he only drank 70mls BUT he slept through till 6am!!!!!
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2012, 21:28:39 pm »
ok so Ive tried just putting him down for a nap like you suggested, eyes open etc and hes gone to sleep fine.
Great news.  So i would keep this up for all sleep times and see how he goes. 

that was a good day.  A longer day than usual obviously but fab that the naps got you through to a fairly decent bedtime and fab wake up.

With the NWs....are they discomfort?  You mentioned earlier that he had some diet issues?  DD2 is MPI and at the minute we are having about a million NWs and it is discomfort so I'm pedalling back on the amount of dairy she is getting and it is helping. 

What is your gut feeling on his A times?  My concern is the day you posted is not sustainable because the A times are short for a 9-10 month old.  Especially that last one.  And i noticed that first nap was really long after such a long A time (even with the 15 minute CN) so makes me think he would do well with longer A times.  I probably would make sure to stick to at least 3 hours A time and in my mind start the process of moving toward 3.15 otherwise i think the NWs and EWs can continue. 

Am sure you feel great after a good nights sleep. 

SO after such a good night are you aiming for nap 1 about 9/9.15am?





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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2012, 21:40:07 pm »
Oh I'm so glad you got a fab night hun. Long may it continue.
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2012, 21:53:15 pm »
yep he was in bed by 9:15am . his usual A time is 3 hrs 15mins but yesterday I just went on tired signs alone
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2012, 22:00:49 pm »
Am crossing fingers and toes for a decent nap! 





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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2012, 22:51:13 pm »
nap was nearly 3 hours long. second nap was only 30mins and still another rough night.

today hes given me a 35 min morning nap (i had to pat him to sleep and now hes woken up in a foul mood... great)
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Re: nearly 9 months in and I dont think I can do this anymore
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2012, 23:54:43 pm »
Hun, i think the thoughts can be a tricky thing. I once said to a nurse that with all the screaming and waking everry  hour when my 2 months DD was wriggling as well as I went to nappy change her, i truly wanted to smalsh her. So the nurse said I may have had attachment issues and referred to a GP. GP said I needed to get some sleep, plain and simple. Nonmeds, no anything just get sleep, baby in a separate room, monitor and that is it. I can't say I did that, as I only did it for 1 week, before Health visitor told me that babies are advised to sleep in the same room. However the point is sleep deprivation is probably the root cause of those thoughts, not necessarily other things. So night or day, family or friends need to muck in.
Another thing is the whole BW thing. It is most important to keep all safe, rather than anything else. So if it means Crying out, so be it. Some babies are more sensitive, like my DD, so that falling asleep and staying asleep is hard. They have separation anxiety, need to be held, are too wired, clingy, etc. When tired the day will get bad as well.plus all that energy rubs off and feeds the cycle. With right support for you and in turn right support for your children, this boy can blossommand become settled and content. This will pass, but right now you need physical help from people you know.

As you described your day he seemed OT, hence such short naps, but like you say it was a long day for both of you. Is there any accidental parenting you can do? Like babywearing?

Also, here in UK, if I felt like this and all the health services were not reallybreferring me, I would take my child to A&E. I woud say, look he is in pain, I don't know from what, he is like this all the time, I am going mad, please help. I know it is a long shot. Or I would try and get private care, but here in UK it is not a great option, NHS being better IMO.
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