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Re: Is my baby ready to go from 3hour to 4 hours? Trouble with napping.
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 04:50:25 am »
Hi there, me again :)

A bit of an update on what has been happening here the last almost 2 months.

At the Dr appointment when Theo had his needles, my DR also prescribed me stool softeners which he said were safe for bfing but unfortunately they did affect him and he started having very frequent, loose poos (I'm talking up to 12 a day, I was feeding up one end and the poos were coming back out the other!) and Theo started loosing weight.  He also started waking hungry at night.  We went back to the Dr and I was given something else for my own poo issues :) and Dr said that Theo was pooing far too much and because of the diarrhea we had to get him better because he was not getting any of the nourishment from his food as he was just pooing it back out again. 

I was to follow up with the baby nurse and monitor his weight to make sure he was putting it back on.  It took a few weeks for the his poo issues to resolve and he started to regain his weight.  I asked the baby nurse about the night feedings and we agreed that if he woke for a feed I should feed him as he obviously needs it atm. (previously been sttn consistently since 10 weeks).  Once the poos settled down he started sleeping through again.

The EASY we were on went something like this:

E 6:00 - wake and BF
S 8:00 - 10:00 (1 1/2 - 2 hours)

E 10:00 BF
S 12:00 - 2:00 (1 1/2 - 2 hours)

E 2:00 BF
S 4:30 - 5:30 (catnap sometimes longer)

E 5:30
A Bath etc
E 7:00
S 7:30

These of course are general times and could vary half and hour here or there each day, but it was always up at 6 and down at 7:30.  Sometimes he doesn't actually go to sleep until 8:15 but he just fiddles with his blankie or stares at the mobile and talks to himself.

This nice period where everything settled into place only lasted for a few weeks and it has all gone down hill since.

Now we are at the stage again where most days he refuses one of his naps and he is also having a hard time getting himself to sleep for naps (bedtime is fine).  More often than not he now cries to the point where I have to pick him up and really settle him down and rock/sing/shh him to sleep.  I always try to put him down when he is close to sleep so he can still drift off on his own but quite often he kicks off again.  Sometimes I put him to bed and he just goes to sleep fine.  I am very mindful of the fact that he is getting older and bad habits are harder to break so do not want to get into the habit of rocking to sleep.

The other problem we are having is night waking has started again.  Initially it was because he was rolling over and freaking out.  Most of the time I could flip him back and he could go back to sleep.  Now he can roll both ways and is also now happy to sleep on his belly so that isn't a problem anymore but now he is waking at random times hungry.  I always see if he will settle first without a feed, sometimes he does, mostly not.  So I feed him.  You would expect that after a night feed he would sleep a bit longer in the morning or at least to our usual time of 6, but he has been waking early around 5.  I always give him his blankie and try to stretch him out until as close to 6 as possible.  He usually starts crying after 15 - 30 mins.  Also when he does wake in the morning after at night feed he isn't really hungry and won't take much milk and he starts of grumpy!

I have just started him on solids 3 days ago, he is not really keen yet but I and just giving him a little at lunch time (around 11) for a week or so, then once he is showing some more interest in eating I'll add a dinner meal. then a breakfast.

So there are my problems, resiting the current EASY, night wakings and early wakings.

I am thinking that he is ready to drop the cat nap and move to 2 naps a day.  I also read that early wakings can be because the first nap is too early and robs the night sleep?  This morning he woke at 5 (didn't wake last night.  I had to go out after Theo's last feed and DH couldn't get him to sleep so I fed him again when I got home at 9:30) crying hard.  I fed him and he fell asleep on the first boob (and so did I) he woke back up at 6 and had the other boob.  I put him down at 8 and he resisted (bit of crying, some cuddling/rocking/patting, playing with his blankie) but eventually fell asleep at 9 on his own.  He woke up at 11:15 when I BF him.  I gave him solids at 12.  I thought I would stretch out his A time and have a go at 2 naps today.  I was aiming for 2.5 hours.  He ended up going to sleep at 2.  He cried and I picked him up, quickly settled and put him down just in time for him to go to sleep on his own.

Do you think 2 naps will help?  The one thing I  DO NOT want to do is drop another BF.  If he is already waking hungry, dropping another feed will ensure he is hungry at night but I am unsure of how to fit it in!  At the moment, the meager amount of solids he is eating doesn't really count for anything.

Please help, how do I make this routine work and ensure that he is getting enough during the day? Sorry about the novel!!!




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Today he ended up napping from 2 - 3.30 after which I bf him.  We did some groceries and he had a rest, but not sleep, in the baby carrier.  I fed him again when we got home at 5.30 and I tried hard to keep him awake during the feed.  I bathed him early and fed him early at 6.40 where he fell asleep on the boob, he was so tired but didn't feed as much as he would usually because he fell asleep so quickly. He was in bed at 7.  He woke up for a top up feed at 8, and then straight back to sleep.

Edit - it is now the morning and last night I heard him whine and moan for a bit 3 times, but I forced myself to stay in bed and see if he resettled and he did each time.  He woke up at 5:10 and I managed to stretch him out by putting on his little changing colour nightlight and giving him his blankie until 5:45 when his crying kicked off.  He had a good morning feed :)
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Re: NW and EW and dropping CN?. UPDATED: more help please
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2012, 23:56:42 pm »
I am really struggling with deciding what to do with my LO, I think he is trying to drop a nap, but is waking hungry at night for a feed, so do not want to drop a feed.  He is also waking early.  I am second guessing everything I do!  Yesterday went like this -

As I said in the post above, he didn't wake in the night because he had a later feed, but he still had an early wake up, which I managed to drag out some.
E - 5:45 BF
S - 8:40 - 11:00
E - 11:00 BF (solids 12:00)
S - fell asleep in the car at 1:40 (usually I can transfer to cot without him waking but this time he woke so only slept for a few mins, I tried to resettle for quite a while, he almost got back to sleep but then did a poo and was awake)
E - 2:30 BF
S - 4:00 - 5:00 (put to bed at 3:40)
E - 5:00 BF
A - Bath, jammies etc - then we had to go to school to watch DSS play in his band. Home by 7:45
E - 7:45 BF
S - 8:00
Woke at 11, but self settled after a few mins.
Woke for a feed at 3:45am, waited to see if he settled but turned into I need you/hungry cry.
Woke at 6:00, but by the time I got out of bed and put my dressing gown and slippers on he went quiet and back to sleep until 7am

As you can see it was a bit all over the place.
Today I am going to try and see how he goes on the 2 naps but how do I fit in the extra feed?  I need to make sure he is getting enough calories during the day so he doesn't need to NW?

So far today he:
E - 7:00 BF (only took 1 and a bit of the second boob, because he feed at night)
S - 9:35 - 10:20 (tried to resettle, but he did a poo, obviously still tired)
E - 10:30
Solids - 11:15
....

Do you think 2 naps will help the early waking and night waking?  The one thing I  DO NOT want to do is drop another BF.  If he is already waking hungry, dropping another feed will ensure he is hungry at night but I am unsure of how to fit it in!  At the moment, the meager amount of solids he is eating doesn't really count for anything.

Please help, how do I make this routine work and ensure that he is getting enough milk during the day? Do I need to do an EAEASY, where can I fit that in?  I am at a loss here :(
« Last Edit: June 15, 2012, 00:30:31 am by soph77 »



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Hi hun...

I might have a solution for you with regards to the BF's during the day...   You don't need to drop a feed per se, just rearrange his feeds really.  I assume he is just starting on solids at this age so we don't really consider them enough to hold off a BF for any real length of time so here is what I have recommended to loads of moms in your situation moving to 2 naps...

This is what your day will be like:

Wake and BF
A time with solids
Small top up feed (BF) about half an hour before his first nap to see him through (and increase calories he takes in too!)
Wake from nap #1 and BF
A time with solids (if he is having 2 meals of solids)
Small top up feed (BF) about half an hour before his second nap to see him though
Wake from nap #2 and BF
A time with solids (if he is up to 3 meals of solids) - I always recommend that dinner be the last meal added to the day as      that little tummy has to work hard to digest food and it can easily disrupt sleep.
BF both sides and down for the night.

As you can see, I suggest a small top up feed (one side) to get LO through the nap without becoming hungry as feed times will often fall during a nap until solids are more established and feeds stretch out further.

Think this will work?

Also, there is a growth spurt at 6 months so I would go ahead with feeding if he wakes hungry right now.. it could just be temporary.



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Thanks for replying :)

That is a good idea about the solids and adding the dinner meal last.  I think we are a good few weeks at least off before we get to the third meal.

I actually started doing just what you suggested today! so we shall see how it goes.  I don't mind doing night feeds really, if he is hungry I am happy to feed him.  It is just the early wake ups that are a killer.  They through the whole day off and it is the early mornings when I am in my deepest sleep, so the early wake ups leave me sooo tired. 

I'll give ot a few days and let you know how we're going with it.  I really hope it helps get him back on track.

Thanks for your help again :)



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So last night we woke at 4am with a poo and had a feed.  Then slept until 7am, but wouldn't take much milk on waking.  I am thinking that the night wakings might be more to do with pooing than food.  He never used to poo at night, he would always save it up for a big explosion in the morning ;)
I topped him up an hour after waking and got a bit more milk into him.
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Ah yes, the early morning wake and poop!  Very common when solids are first started... so many moms talk about it here (we had it too!) but no one has ever found a way to stop it.