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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2012, 10:17:54 am »
Waking 45min after BT is often OT. Good he did a 11.5hr night albeit with wakings. Hope it means he'll catch up on sleep soon.

Resettling at 45min would indicate UT at the beginning of the nap to me... has he ever napped past 45min without resettling though?

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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2012, 10:44:48 am »
Well, yes, occasionally he napped 1.5 hrs, but I couldn't see a pattern there - meaning the same A time would either yield a short or a long nap...  ???

I don't see how he can be OT at BT...we've been doing the new routine fairly consistently now- 3.5 hrs A time, and he does 1.5 hr naps... What else can cause OT?



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 18:51:33 pm »
I don't see how he can be OT at BT...we've been doing the new routine fairly consistently now- 3.5 hrs A time, and he does 1.5 hr naps... What else can cause OT?
What does your last A, from end of pm nap to BT, look like?  It could be that he can handle the longer As during the day, but actually needs a bit shorter one to bed.  Yay for the later wake-ups, that's always a plus!! :) 



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 07:29:39 am »
The last A time is longer, around 4 hrs. I make sure he's in his cot by 3.5 hrs,but he usually doesn't settle for another half an hour, maybe even more. He keeps standing up in his cot and I keep going in to put him down... I guessed he's UT as he's refusing to lie down, but can it also be OS??? How can I guess right?



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 07:57:04 am »
It could be OS. When he wakes, is he really wanting to go go go but a lot clumsier than usual? If so, its likely you have some OS issues.

Standing the in cot still happened when DS was spot on sleep time when it was a new thing and when SA was an issue, so it may not be UT.

3 x 3.5 + 2 x 1.5 is a 13.5hr day. This may just be too long for him and he may need a shorter A time at the end of the day. Maybe try having him in the cot by 3hr A for BT... A long restorative night is so important for fixing OT.

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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 09:42:56 am »
Ah, I always forget to count it up!  >:(
The middle A time was never 3.5, mostly it's 3 hrs. But I see he must be OS by the end of the day, 'coz that's exactly what he odes - go go go and bumps into things easily! So, I'll change BT time, and see what happens!



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 10:10:03 am »
All good, DS is so sensitive to short nights, so that's usually one of my first thoughts... If nights go below 11hr, he's an OT mess doesn't matter how perfect the  day is ::)

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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 11:52:16 am »
I agree, try the 3 hr A to bed. Claire was so the same, and I'm noticing that Graham will continue to do the pull-up thing when OT/OS as well.



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2012, 12:18:17 pm »
Well, for 2 days now I've been trying to set a 3 hr A time in the afternoon and I just can't!!! One day we had guests, so I simply couldn't put him down earlier than 7 pm, the other day he was in cot by 3 hrs, but with all the standing up-putting down show he didn't settle for an hour. He broke his own record!  :o

Now he's having his pm nap at 2, if he does a 1.5 hr nap, I don't know if I will be able to put him down at 6.30, as Oli will have a playdate over and I'm afraid that'll throw off all my plans again!  :P

The night was slightly better, though, I had to resettle at 2 am and at 5.30am, but he had 2 NFs (at 11 pm and 3.30 am). This was the first time in ages that he didn't wake 45 mins after BT! So, that's progress, I guess...

I could use some quick settling vibes, ladies! It's been about a month now that he does his show at every sleep time....quite frustrating... :P



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012, 18:48:08 pm »
This was the first time in ages that he didn't wake 45 mins after BT! So, that's progress, I guess...
Yes, definitely progress.  FX for tonight!  And lots of settling vibes.... if only I knew the answer. :-\ G is *exactly* the same right now. ::)



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2012, 21:30:34 pm »
Its definitely progress, long may it continue! Quick settling vibes~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 11:07:53 am »
To update:

Our nights are mostly the same...Still wakes up 45 mins-1 hr after BT, and then every 2 hrs or so. Has a NF after midnight (I'm pushing this out to drop it, but he keeps waking every 10-15 mins until he's fed...  :-\ ) and between 5-6 am to avoid EW. He doesn't seem OT at any time of the day, though he probably is. He has 2 naps, am around 10.30 for 1.5 hrs, and pm 3ish, max 1 hr. Trying a shorter A time ends up in crib parties until he reaches 4 hr A time and then goes to sleep within minutes. So nights are from 7.30 pm-6.30 am.

TBH, I started wondering the other day if there are kids who simply can't learn to STTN until a certain age. I know Oli didn't STTN until almost 4 yo, but it was my fault in the beginning - we had loads of props, as I didn't know about BW. Now with Vic I know all in theory, and just nothing seems to work. And I'm afraid I'm missing out on enjoying time with him as I'm constantly worried about naps, NWs, A times and it always feels like I'm doing something wrong....  :'(



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2012, 17:54:29 pm »
My chn experience this when they have hit their threshold with food intolerances to salicylates, amines and preservatives. What is he like when he wakes? Hyper? Does he have tummy aches? Do you want to give me a basic run down of the kinds of foods he is eating? Is he silent refluxing or refluxing?





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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2012, 18:53:45 pm »
Hi Tecike, ((((hugs)))).  I really wish I had something useful to offer. :-\ I think your routine sounds fine, although if he's doing a 13 hr day, do you think he would take the extra 30 min in the afternoon nap? Are you waking him from that one or is he waking at the hour on his own?  I know he's had reflux that's not medically treated, and I wonder if that's why he's waking so often and then once you feed him, the pain is soothed a bit, so he goes back to sleep.  Do you think he's still bothered by the reflux? Those frequent wakings together (10-15 min apart) seem like discomfort to me.  Or hunger, but he's probably a bit old for that.  Although, I know he's been ill recently, so it could be hunger. Well, this is really clear, isn't it? ::) :-[

I don't think you're doing anything wrong, hon.  He's not the first one who hasn't slept through by now.  I think until you're confident in the amount of solids he's eating and maybe onto milk, you can get a bit tougher with the feeds and then hopefully he'll start sleeping longer.



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Re: 9 mo - NW, EW, OT????
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2012, 10:23:04 am »
He wakes himself from the pm nap, sometimes it's even shorter. I know it's a long day, but I really tried to shorten the afternoon and he simply can't go to sleep before 7...he is so wired up during WD and then he's in the crib by 7, but takes him so long to settle.  :-\

I'm not sure about his reflux. He seems not to be bothered by it, he doesn't cry in pain. He doesn't spit up at all...is it reflux if it kinda comes up and then he swallows it back? He does that often...   ??? He doesn't have tummy aches.

He might be hungry now, as he's in the middle of a huge solids refusal, he hardly eats anything. I wasn't worried at first, thinking it's the teeth bothering him, but it's been almost 2 weeks now... So he would eat 5-6 bites only, nothing off the spoon. Of fruit he eats banana and apples, of veggies potatoes, carrots, peas, zucchini, mushrooms- only a few bites at a time. He used to love squash and yogurt, he won't taste either now. He still eats most from bread or toast with butter or cottage cheese and he grew fond of pastry from the bakery. Sometimes I give him chicken or chicken liver with bread. Oh and he has about 5 BFs a day...

When he wakes at night, he is wide awake and stands up immeadiately. If I manage to hear his first fuss, then I can put him down before standing up as his eyes are still closed. When he wakes in the morning or from a nap, he likes to laze around in the crib for about 10 mins, and then he's on the go.

If it's any kind of intolerance, what are the symptoms of it? I don't know anything about intolerances, have to read up if I have time...