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Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« on: April 24, 2012, 08:28:18 am »
This is the worst age for babies I think. I feel like things SHOULD be getting easier, and sleep SHOULD be getting better - but it's not, and I'm tired, and A times are long, and babies want entertaining, and it all just feels like too much.

So here we are. Audrey is six months old. She has sttn maybe two times. At the moment she is waking usually about 4-6 times during the night. I will feed her two of those times. I don't believe she needs those feeds at all, as she is rarely hungry in the morning, and when she stayed at my mums overnight last weekend she took only 3oz of EBM the whole night. I don't really have any effective way of settling her. I am happy to undertake sleep training although I don't really know what we'd be training 'for' as she goes to sleep independently for naps and at bedtime and I do hear her settle herself at night as well.

pain meds
solids at tea time (doesn't really work she won't let me spoon feed her)
less solids through the day
top up of formula
top up of breast milk
more daytime sleep
less daytime sleep
longer A before bed
shorter A before bed
dropping the dream feed (she would always wake before it anyway)
She has been to the Dr to be checked over incase of any mystery illness i.e. ear infection and has been declare 'the picture of health'

For weeks now she wakes up after bedtime - anything from 1-3hrs after bedtime it's not always the same - and will cry on and off for hours. Then she will have a feed and sometimes the rest of the night is quite peaceful however sometimes she will wake again shortly after a feed and I have no way of settling her.

We weaned the dummy in the hope of breaking this pattern but it hasn't made any difference. I've tried giving the dummy back just because I need some way to make her be quiet so she doesn't wake up Stan (they share a room). But sometimes she won't take it and just goes on crying and/or shouting.

Last night we had our normal early evening - maybe a bit better than usual - and she slept til 12.45 when I fed her and she went back to sleep. She was awake then at 3.45, not crying, just shouting and yelping. I spent half an hour trying to get her to settle down, then, because Stan was tossing and turning and I was afraid he would wake up - I had to feed her even though she clearly was not hungry at about 4.15am. She went back to sleep but was up for the day at 6am.

Her routine is very variable but yesterday was:
6.30am awake
7.30am BF
8am breakfast
9.10am nap 35mins
9.45am awake
10.30am BF
11.30am lunch
12.15pm nap. Slept 40 mins then woke up, 15 mins trying to resettle, slept another 30mins in my arms
1.40pm awake
2.30pm BF
3.15pm catnap 30 mins
3.45pm awake
4.30pm solids
6.25pm BF plus top up of EBM (3oz) which I had in the fridge
6.45pm asleep for the night

Please help.





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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 09:45:45 am »
Hi Anna,

She's in prime CN-dropping time now, how would she go upping A time to 3hr (gradually rather than jumping up if that's how she rolls), having two solid naps (would she do it?) and an 11-12hr night? I found around this age it wasn't about total day sleep but length of A time, not total A time but length being important to get good naps and good night sleep. That could just be how DS was/is...

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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 09:54:44 am »
That's what we're trying for - 2 solid naps - but more often than not one of them will be short so we'll be left with either a catnap or a very long A til bedtime





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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 10:00:21 am »
Ok, so are you putting her down after 2hr30-40min in the morning because she's tired after a bad night? We had to push through and resettle the OT nap for a day or two to get it under control... would that work with her?

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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 10:17:00 am »
I'd agree about the CN - and it meant a lot of early BTs to give us a max of 3-3hr 15 final A time. Sofia has always been a low A times baby,  so CN dropping was difficult as I couldn't stretch her out too much. So we brought in her BT and said that anything after 6pm was acceptable for us as I didn't want to get into the habit of putting her to bed at 5.30pm or something. Some nights it was literally 6.05pm and other nights nearer 6.30pm but we stuck with that until she dropped the CN. Bath time often used to be our saviour, as it would revive her and entertain her enough to just push on to that 6pm goal without getting too OT. That made the day feasible even on 2 rubbish naps, and she seemed to tag on the missed day time sleep onto the night and wake up at an acceptable time.

Also another thing that DH and I always forget in NWs are temperature - we didn't realise quite how chilly Sofia's room got at night and it was enough to niggle her out of sleep on a repetitive basis. Adding a vest under her sleepsuit and sleeping bag helped. Also - if it is teething, we found that Nurofen works a gazzilion times better than Calpol. Calpol just didn't even register with Sofia. 

You may well have already ticked these off your list but just thought I'd mention them.
Hugs, and hang in there. xxxx

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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 11:15:21 am »
She keeps falling asleep on the return leg of the school run :(

Sorry for super short replies, not being rude just on my phone today as DH has laptop!





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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 12:04:36 pm »
Big HUGS Anna, I'm sorry the NW have not gotten better.  I don't really have much advice to give you unfortunately, but is there any way Stan could sleep in another room for a little while so that he does not get disturbed? I so understand the pressure of not wanting to wake him up at night, it is an additional stress that you don't need right now. I know when my friend did sleep training for her DD2, her DH and DD1 went to 'camp' in the basement, they made it into a fun adventure.  I know there's no real sleep training to do since she falls asleep independently but maybe it would help lower your stress at least.

Might not be helpful but that was the only idea that came to mind so I wanted to share it with you. :-*
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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 12:18:19 pm »
We don't have another room for him to go in and even in our bed he finds it difficult to sleep if he's not in his own bed.





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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2012, 12:47:17 pm »
I agree with becj86 - I would up her A times a little. M was doing 35/40 min naps constantly at that age and i do think she was UT. (in hindsight!!??)




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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2012, 12:51:03 pm »
But even when we do get two good naps, the nights still suck ???





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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 16:01:22 pm »
I don't think it is always the nap length though. A lo can do a good nap but if the A times are not long enough it can still affect the nights....




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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 01:17:49 am »
Please can you type out routine for me to try tomorrow. I have no idea what her A times should be. Yesteray went
6am A
9.10 S
9.55 A
12.30 S
1 A
1.30 S
3.15 A
7 S

She woke at 9 but let me resettle her. Then at 10.30 then at 1.30. She is not hungry but won't go back to sleep (now 2.15)





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Re: Stuck with NWs and I'm fed up.
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 02:12:11 am »
Just reading up now and looking at your routine I also think there could be a bit of UT before AM nap...even though the 35 min naps indicate OT. Z did this for ages and I was so scared to increase his A as he woke cranky, which for me = OT. BUT he needed a longer A to get past that mark. He aws cranky, but not tired enough to sleep longer IYKWIM?

 
I agree with becj86 - I would up her A times a little. M was doing 35/40 min naps constantly at that age and i do think she was UT. (in hindsight!!??)
I would try this ^^^

But then looking at your day yesterday she did a first A of 3hrs 10 and you got 45 mins and I wouldnt think longer than 3hrs15 would be necersary ??? Maybe go for a solid 3hr first A for a week to get her body used to it.

If she short naps try 2hrs 40 or so. If you can resettle or she naps longer then do another 3hr A or a touch longer.

What do you all think?

And Anna - It looks like she 'can' nap longer (your yesterday PM nap at 1.30) so she WILL get there!

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 02:17:31 am »
The trouble is, I've totally lost faith that any of thus is going to improve our nights. I don't HAVE weeks, I am literally falling headlong into depression. I know it's stupid.x no I don't haver friends who can help, no I can't get out and about, no in not expecting miracles.





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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 05:07:38 am »
I know it's stupid.x

It's not stupid at all Anna! Dh and I always say it's amazing how much a bad nap affects a person's mood and you've been dealing with bad nights for quite a while.....pretty much on your own! That's brutal. So although I'm not sure how to help I wanted to say that in no way are you being stupid, you're just being human.