16.5mo never sstn, only naps 1hr, 3-4 nws - where to start? Please help!!!

[Erin M]

Hmm, thought I replied to this the other day.  I'd try to stick with the 6 hour A time in the morning, which might give you a longer A until bed.  Even if you get a shorter nap with it, you might get a better night, no?  If you can give it a good 3/4 night shot of just dropping the night nursing and pushing through, it might be your best chance of succeeding.  I think that the odds of the nurofen wearing off by 10 PM are unlikely, but you never know -- how's the weather by you?  Is it possible he needs to be warmer/cooler at night?  I only ask as when we were away at my parents' house the power went out at night and it was quite warm and humid and I could hear him shifting around all night long.  

[shresmummy]

It seems like I'm stuck in this weird loop. He ew then has a good nap, but then a bad night, then a bad nap the following day. But a better night probably because he's SO buggered!

He is fussing for a nap even if it's 6 hr A time. I feel I can't read him anymore

I think nothing will improve probably until I wean the nf isn't it?

Oh and the weather is freezing,its winter. But kids have a heater and is quite comfortable.

Today wu 5:20
Nap finally at 11:35/40 - 12:25 woke crying. Ot?? Resettled in my arms on/off till 1:25
Bt asleep by 6:50
Nw 8:35, 10:20. Both times wanted quick feed.

I'm done making excuses for him and avoiding the nf weaning!! I will give it a go in the next day or so, when I figure out dd sleeping arrangements. It's probably best for him to stay in the room he's going to be sleeping in is it? Or should I temporary move him to our room so the crying doesnt wake dd?

[j.and.e]

I wud leave them together but explain to dd that if the crying wakes her up you have a camp bed for her in your bedroom. Then you or dh can move her if needed. I think if u commit to it it wont take long and will be worth a few bad nites for you all. Good luck! xx

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, just wanted o update... The past three nights he has suddenly transformed himself!! He slept through from 6:50 to about midnight, he woke once two nights ago during that time but he settled with just a cuddle. He has been waking around 2 am wanting a feed. Then he goes back to slept till 5:30. His 1st canine cut thru so maybe he's feeling better?

But tonight he was back up to his old tricks! Tomorrow night I'm planning to hold backall the night feeds. If he sleeps like he did the past few nights it should be ok. But if he's acting like tonight ...uh oh it's going to be messy. I think his other caninesare cutting now.

Fingers xxxxx it goes well.

Maybe all this messwill be over once they all cut thru.

[Erin M]

Ok, at this point I think you just need to push through without the feeds.  Which will at some point lead to some messy nights in the short term, but good in the long term.  You know he can do it now! 

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies I have some promising news to report after last night!!!

He went to bed at 7:10
Nws 8:40 took till 9:30 to settle. The intense crying lasted for about 15 mins and then he was just on off sleeping while I was holding him.

But then he slept till 1:30 am. Then he woke and did the same as before till 2:30 am. Then he slept till about 5:45 am.

But then when he woke I fed him, then he came off the boob and went to sleep till 6;45 am.

So what do you reckon!? That was promising.

But today's nap was a mess... DH let him sleep in the car at 11:15 am!! For 10 mins!! How annoying, he then didn't nap till nearly 1:50 pm! Anyway I let him sleep till 2:35 pm then did bt at 7 again.

I hope he has an ok night and he's not ot or ut leading to more nws. Either way I will push on. Should I still keep the early morning feed?

[Erin M]

That's fabulous!  Push on, though it's a pain about the car nap, that happens all the time around here.
The early morning feed is up to you, not the worst thing in the world as it gets you some extra time in bed I'm sure! 

[shresmummy]

Hmmm so last night wasn't as fabulous. He woke twice before 1:30 am and both times settled much easier than the night before without a feed so that was a plus I guess. But he woke at 1:30 and initially settled but he didn't get back to sleep properly. He was on off sleeping till nearly 3:45 am!?,! Yuck!! Then at 3:45 he started baling his head off and around 4 I fed him. Then e went back to sleep till 6:45 am.

Then today I did
Wu 6:45
Nap 12:35-1:40
Bt asleep by 7
Nws so far 8 settled no feed.

But the bad thing is I think he's falling Ill:( he was having a slightly runny nose this evening. Wonder what I should do.

[Erin M]

Well, considering your day was off, the night wasn't awful, right?  As for the cold, you have to do whatever you feel most comfortable -- sometimes you can push through despite the cold, just depends on how you feel he's doing.

[shresmummy]

Hi erin, just wanted to update you on how things are going. He was sickfor the past few days as you knew, but despite that he was actually ok with no feeding till about 1:30 am. He woke several times but he didn't demand to be fed.

But it's that 1:30-2 am time that is really hard! He started crying and I had to stop around 10 mins into it because he started coughing too much.

Buti will try again tonight. He was much better today.his routine the past few days looks like this.

I don't know if it's because he's sick or what but his resistance to naps has reduced a bit...maybe it's also because his nights are more disturbed due to the weaning?? He has also been waking up later in the morning.

Wu 6:30 ish am
Nap 12:15-2 is
Bt 7-7:15

Tonight he went to sleep at 7:30 and it's 10:30 pm now and he hasn't woken yet with nws.

[Erin M]

How's it going now?  We have shorter first A times with broken night sleep here, so it would make sense.  Good getting through until 1:30/2 though!  Slow progress, right?

[**Clare**]

Hey! Sorry I havent been around much, the kid are off school here and its chaos!!

I think sometimes you do have to just push through when they are teething or poorly unless you think they are in alot of discomfort. I used to give Amelie calpol before bed and whenever she woke (If it was over the four hours!) just so I could rule out any pain. 

She was so similar to your lo, would do really well until a certain time and then just wouldnt settle properly for hours, I also ended up giving her milk and then she slept really well  I managed to switch the milk to water and then just left the cup in her bed so now 9 times put of 10 she will sette herself with the cup, other times she'll need me to find it. Its not ideal really but still, Ive given up on her sleeping through thats for sure. Shes recently cut 6 teeth, 4 molars and two bottom ones. We are yet to get the canines! Should be fun!!

Dont know what else to suggest really as we havent exacly done brilliantly or done it the way we shoudl! Good luck though, Ill be here to support if nothing else

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies, hope you both had a good weekend.

Thanks for cheking in again Clare, I have also been medicating and I'm at the point where I have no idea if its making a difference or not!!

Erin, those few good napping days are gone now yet again. The 5h45 in Atime is o longer working. We are back to nap resistance and the nights have been odd the past few nights.

I feel it's teething related. 3 canines are cutting thru together. I think those few good days were between the first canine cutting and these three.

Last nigt he slept 7:30-10:30 but then was up every 10 mins for an hour!,  I would put him down go back, get comfy and start falling asleep and he was up again! Then aound 1 i think i fed him. In the end I must have fallen asleep with him in my arms because he was there when iwoke at 3:30!!! Geez, it was a rough night.

But I guess I only fed him once around midnight.so that's good I suppos  right? Then fed him again at 5:30 am.

Todays nap was a mess...so I wonder what the night will bring!!

[Erin M]

 Ugh, those teeth!  At least the canines are the last for a while.  Sounds like a rough night for sure.  I know that I (and lots of others moms) found the canines to be the roughest of all the teeth, so I'd probably attribute a lot of your trouble to them (if nothing else it gives you a reason to blame the craziness on).  Hope those teeth break through soon!

[shresmummy]

Yes, it's been rough nights here for a few days now. Is definitely those teeth.

Last night was especially bad! I can't even remember all of it!

Tonight for the first in ages he has slept 2 hrs after going o bed without waking. So let's see.

I think the teeth have almost cut thru, just a tiny bit left to come out of the gum..

Now he has no more excuses!! And I have nothing to blame his bad sleeping on either! Tis weekend I'm moving dd back to our room and really going to work on the 1 am feeding.

When do you think should stop doing bf at bt? And do you have any ideas as to how? Right now dd and ds go to bed at the same time. So I bf him while dd falls asleep. That keeps him quiet so she can sleep in 5 mins or so. Then he takes longer. He usually gets sleepy on the boob but he ends up cuddling in my arms awake then sleeps and I stick him in the cot.. Yes, I'm such a long way off from independent sleep I don't ever know how I'll get there, yikes!

I don't think it will happen until he weans completely. I hope to do that in the next month or o, but he just doesn't want to give up the bfs!!  I wish there was a way to give up the bt and early am bfs without tears and refusing him. The middle of the night feeds I am ok With refusing even if he cries... But I do also gradually want to wean other two.