Support for dropping the nap-part 6

[confusedmummy]

Charlie has been asleep for nearly four hours already. Is it a bad sign that he has stirred about 3 times so far and sat up whinging quietly to himself? I haven't had to go in as he's laid back down and gone back to sleep, but do you think that means I'm more likely for a ridiculously early WU? Just want to prepare myself x

[Truly Blessed]

Hey Hun, the general opinion is that WU's early into the night are down to OT, but that doesn't mean you're in for an EW necessarily. He might settle later into the night. It's great that you haven't had to go in to settle him. Try and relax, it is what it is and there's nothing more you can do now Hun.

x.

[Mama_Mia]

Whenever M stirs alot in the early night he usually has 1 quick NW and sleeps through. It's when he is out like a light that he wakes thinking he had a great nap and wants to play for 2 hours.

Sorry Vicki somehow I missed your post about BT, glad you got the right time and it worked out. 6 min? YEAH !! Thats wonderful.

Well M had a great time at the party and he ran his little butt off. I thought someone had snuck him some soda he was so wired.lol He was pooped when we got home which actually wasnt until 7:45 so we skipped bathtime and got him into his jammies and into bed right away. He fell asleep about 8:15 so only about 15min earlier than I was expecting. Now finger's x'd that he was worn out enough to sttn.

[confusedmummy]

As I expected Charlie has woken between 5.15/5.30 he has switched his light on and called me in to tell me he doesn't want to wait the 1hr 10 mins till his sun (obviously not so specific). He just cannot go past 12hrs straight no matter what.

I guess today early short nap followed by BT around 6.30/7, a long afternoon but I don't want another EW I want to get them back where it was x

[babyrose]

Confusedmummy, we had the same ew this morning 5:15. I dont even know what to do today I know he wont nap unless un the car or do I keep him up and put him down at the same time and just hope he sleeps a little longer.

He seemed very upset when he woke and wasnt going back to sleep but it tired this morning..

[Truly Blessed]

Good morning Ladies,

Hazel:

He just cannot go past 12hrs straight no matter what.

Maybe it's all he needs. Of course he could still seem OT from past days. I think that if you could get 12 hours sleep in 24 every day then you might just have a happy little boy. It's just how to do it with the situation you're in that is so hard. That's what I'm hoping to achieve for Sam too.

Would you consider cat naps of 30 mins on the days that he is at home, followed by a reasonably early BT. That way on nursery days when he isn't able to have a nap he might miss it less IYKWIM Just brain storming really. That would also mean that his BT wouldn't change drastically from one day to another but that the cat naps might hopefully stop the awful OT building up until he is at the point where he can go without. Maybe you could start giving him special sofa time every day with a pillow and a blanket and 'train' him this it's quiet time and see if he will drop of for 30 mins. If you do this at a time when baby will likely be having a nap it could remain Charlie and Mammy's special alone time. So you know that he isn't going to tack on at the moment so your plan moving forward needs to take this into account. So for today I would go with a 45 minute nap at around 11.15 to midday because he should make it there after such a restorative night. Then a 6.30 BT.

What's your thoughts 

Mama C...good result yesterday  Nice call on your behalf 

We had a good night, Sam stirred at 6.20 with a case of the lost dummy then went STS again. Then he called me in at 6.50 and I told him to wait in bed for the sun, and he did, calling my back in at 7am...clever boy  So presuming he went to sleep pretty quickly after the call backs stopped last night he has slept around 11 hours 20, which is just below 12 for yesterday. I just need to figure out the best way to achieve 12 hours for him. I looked in his 1-0 diary from when I was keeping it up and found that actually I have tried 30 min naps before and it only gave us 11 hour nights, but he was messing around at BT then.

Do you think I should consistently try 45 min naps first, I think I probably should. Or should I stick with the hour we've been doing and see if when the BT messing stops I can can get 11 hour nights consistently. You said that Mama C didn't you  somebody did..sorry  I forget so much, even what i've tried already as this all started at the beginning of June. I'm starting to think it's the best idea as I write this, so today would go:

6.45 WU (assuming he briefly went back to sleep after the 6.20 WU which I think he did)

Nap 12.20 to1.20

BT 7.45 (asleep for)

He seems to really want to wake at 6.45 for the last couple of weeks so this would mean I could change his clock to that time and it would be happy mornings. I still think he will need 6.5 hours to go to sleep after a 1 hour nap and a 13 hour day.

What do you think if this plan then 

Thanks Ladies

Vicki.x.

[confusedmummy]

Well DP has done it again. I spoke to him last night and said I wanted to put Charlie down for a nap before we took him out for day, and to see what time before we told Charlie what we would be doing. And he has taken it upon himself to completely ignore me and tell him we are going out to big park, quite far away so we have to leave early so no nap before leaving. I can't rely on him sleeping in car on way which means another day like yesterday, and whilst we had a 12 hr night WU was way to early. Not only can he not go into 3 no nap days at nursery on a 5am wake up it will actually be 5 no nap days inc today and yesterday which I'm scared will put him back in the spiral.

I'm getting very fed up with DP, he even said last night he would support me, but his brain just doesn't seem to work when I'm not there (can you tell I'm a little annoyed :-D )

So I'm hoping he will sleep on way, but doubt it, otherwise I'm gonna have to let him sleep on way back which will be late and mean a late BT, grrrr :-(

Babyrose, its hard to know what to do for best, I would try to get him to have a short nap, but only because I'd not want another 5am start and also there is the chance if they are more rested it may be even earlier, well I could see that happening with Charlie. But they do say that the more they do something the more they get used to it, and may even have longer nights. Sorry I can't help much more.

Vicki, it could be worth a try, I've never really done shorter than 1hr naps with Charlie unless he wakes himself, and I didn't really notice much of a difference at BT to the 1hr ones, but then I think I always put down too late after a nap, assuming he needed it, but I got it wrong.

I really hope everyone has a good day and an even better night with the LOs I think we all need it x

[confusedmummy]

He's asleep in the car yay :-D x

[*Ali*]

Oh Hazel, that is so annoying about DP going back on what you agreed. Can you leave for the big park a bit later and make it more likely he will sleep on the way there? If he is sleeping on the way back what time would it be? Could you wake him after 20mins just to get him through to a more reasonable BT?

Vicki, that sounds good to me. I've never tried anything like that with Cadan because he won't go down so early in his cot but if he would then I woud totally do it.

[babyrose]

Car nap for us aswell, he fell asleep at 1:15 giving him 30 mins. No idea about b/time!
hazel, thanks for your advice earlier hope your b/time goes ok with no 5am rises.

[Mama_Mia]

Vicki I would cut the nap down to 45min. I cut M's down to 45min at about 14 months and his nights got so much better when I did. And on the rare occasion I do let him sleep for an hour it makes BT later with more messing around.

Hazel, so sorry that DP cant stay on board with the plan thats awful. Glad Charlie fell asleep in the car so at least he did get a nap.

[confusedmummy]

Thanks mama c.

Charlie had just over or under 45mins sleep in car, he woke himself, and typically when i didn't want him too he would have quite happily fallen asleep for longer  :-D.

I have just left him in bed was hoping for a BT of 6.30 but he really doesn't seem tired so I think more like 7. Just hope I'll get at least an 11hr night.

Babyrose, not sure what time to suggest for BT, Charlie woke from his nap earlier than your DS and he going for 7. If he seems ready for a 7pm BT I would go with that, the earlier the better so not to get back into OT state. Hope it goes well for you x

[Buntybear]

Hi, for those of you who aren't getting naps every day - what is the rule of thumb for you? Do you alternate nap days? Just try for a nap when they look/act tired? How long do you give? Is there a latest time that you late them nap for?

Thanks!

[babyrose]

He was in bed and sleeping for 18:40 im just hoping for no ew's! Good luck for tonight.


Bubtybear, A refuses naps at home now completely, he naps in car just a wee half hr to catch up. I would do it everyday if I could but its too much money on diesel.
HTH

[Mama_Mia]

BuntyBear.. I was doing naps every other day but then M started sleeping later in the morning which would put BT way too late. So the only time I really enforce a nap now is when he has a really long NW, then I will put down after 5.5 hr A the next day. Other than that I play it by ear. If he wakes at 8am then no nap but if he wakes between 7-7:30 then I try for a nap but he has to be asleep by 1:30. He only gets a 45min nap and I want him up by 2:15 so that he will sleep by 8:30 that night.