Anyone want to talk about the 3-2 Nap transition? Part 2

[Eva's Mummy]

She just cires in the car or stroller. She will venetually fall asleep in the stroller but thats after we have walker for hours so the CN would be too late.
Here were our last 2 days.

Wake   7:00
E   7:15   (5oz)
A   2hrs 40 mins
S   9:40 - 11:05   1hr 25 mins
E   11:15   (7oz)
A   2hrs 40 mins
S   13:45 - 14:20   35 mins
E   15:15   (7oz)
A   2hrs 30 mins
CN   16:55   REFUSED
A   Total A time 3hrs 30 mins
S   17:40 Bedtime bottle and asleep for 17:50 (6oz)


Wake   6:55
E   7:10   (3oz)
A   2hrs 50 mins
S   9:45 - 11:05   1hr 20 mins
E   11:10   (7oz)
A   2hrs 50 mins
S   13:55 - 14:30   35 mins
E   15:10   (5oz)
A   2hrs 30 mins
CN   17:00   REFUSED
A   Total A time 3hrs 35 mins
S   17:50 Bedtime bottle and asleep for 18:05 (6oz)   

She is not in any discomfort as far as i can tell.

We went for a 2hr 50 min first A time today but she only done 2hrs 45 as when i lay her in her cot she literally closed and eyes and went to sleep instantly.

Thanks in advance x

[Me.and.my.two.boys]

I'm joining in here too. C has started refusing his last nap. Ill be back later on the laptop to post more...

[yufeiisme]

I'm joining in here too. C has started refusing his last nap. Ill be back later on the laptop to post more...

Same here, although DD is not 6mo ye, she's been refusing her catnap for the past few days. She will start daycare next week... Pretty worried....

[Papaya]

Hi Kelly and Yufeiisme   Have you both seen this link? All about the 3-2 transition- 5/6 months

EM, sounds like she might need a bit more of a push for the first two A times. But if the second nap is only 35 mins or so, I'd try to get her down much sooner for the catnap - I think she's already OT. Maybe try 1hr45-2 hours?

[Eva's Mummy]

It's getting worse we are doing 3hrs A time but all her naps are short and CN's are so hard to get. This is my lasy few days.
Wake   6:15   (possibly awake in cot before this)
E   6:45   (6oz)
A   3hrs
S   9:15 - 10:35   1hr 25 mins
E   11:00   (5oz)
A   2hrs 30mins
S   13:05 -13:30   25 mins in car
A   3hrs 45 mins
E   15:00   (6oz)
S   Refused
S   17:15 -17:30 Managed a 15 min nap in car
A   1hr 30 mins
S   18:45 Bedtime bottle and asleep for 19:00 (7oz)

Becasue she fell asleep in the car 30 mins before her nap was due she wouldn't go down, i couldn't get her to take a CN but eventually got her to nod off for 15 mins in the car.
Yesterday
EW   5:30   (5oz) fed and got back to sleep
Wake   7:30   
E   8:00   (5oz)
A   3hrs
S   10:30 - 11:40   1hr 10mins
E   12:00   (5oz)
S   Nap refused as she nodded off for 5 mins in car at 1:30
A   5hrs
E   16:00   (7oz)
S   16:40 - 17:30   50 min (I woke her up)
A   1hr 40 mins
S   18:40 Bedtime bottle and asleep for 19:10 (6oz)

Again she nodded off for 5 mins in the car after only 1.5 hrs A time then i could not get her to take her second nap, i tried 3 times the she eventually went down after 5hrs A time 

Today

EW   5:55   (5oz) EW fed but only nodded off for 30 more mins
Wake   6:25
A   1hr 35 mins
S   8:00 - 8:40   40 mins
E   10:00   (7oz)
A   3hrs 2 mins
S   11:42 - 12:25   43 mins
A   3 hrs
E   14:00   (7oz)
S   15:25 - 16:55   1hr 30mins
A   2hrs 5 mins
S   18:40 Bedtime bottle and asleep for 19:00 (7oz)

I had a lie in as it was mother day but daddy put her down really early as he said she was yawning, rubbing her eyes and being grumpy all morning. I normally would never let her sleep for 1.5 hrs for her last nap but she was shattered, when i went to wake her she looked at me, rolled over away from me and pulled her wee muslin up over her eyes still tired 

As you can see we have had a couple of early wakings i know she is tired but i dont know if i have pushed her too far and i need to pull back or she needs to be pushed a but more and she is UT for her naps leading to a short nap making her OT. It's all so confusing, what do you think?

[Sarabob]

Hey sorry to crash hope this is the right place to ask, I have been reading lots of posts an I have concluded that we are having issues because we are in the midst of this transition.

My question is my LO wakes at 5.30 ready for his day how on earth do I then start from a 7am feed and move his nap time?!? Hes already transitioned  himself to 3hr a time, He currently naps at 8.30 for 1.5hrs so I'm struggling as he still wakes at 11 and 3 for food I've tried no bottle at 5.30 an I've tried a bottle too. (His only a week in to not being EBF)

Any advice

[Mummy23boys]

Hello all,

Just jumping on here too, got advice from the boards that my 5 month old DS may be joining the 3-2 club! I have my doubts and have lots of questions I hope you may be able to help with me with. My little guy is only taking anywhere from 30 to 45 min naps and 30 min CN! It's so frustrating! I have tried longer A times, shorter A times and now I just don't know what to do

We have a BT of 8pm and he sttn until 4am, he wakes but goes back to sleep with no help from me. But at 5am or so he wakes. I try to leave him be in the hope he will go back to sleep but I end up feeding him. I have a 20 month old so I'm always afraid he will wake him! he used to go back to sleep after this feed but not anymore! He is wide awake. Sometimes he might doze on off for 20 mins but that's it! I am at a complete loss here. Feel like I've tried everything! At least I know I'm not alone here

I know I am very lucky to have home sleep so long until 5am. But all I wish is for his naps to be longer. I worry he isn't getting the sleep he needs. Or is he? I don't know. Can you help please?

Thank you 😌

[ZacsMumme]

Gross....I'm in denial but were definitely hitting the 3-2 day is too long and T refuses BT

Sarabob - your LO is just like my ds1 what I did was gradually use the first nap out15 mins, then hold 3-5 days. Then push 15 mins. The idea is at the day shifts and WU will get later. Hopefully past 6 am

EM - again my first would do this. I would try really hard to prevent him car napping. The micro nap is awful!

[Eva's Mummy]

It is awful but i try to go out way before her nap is due so she shouldn't be tired but she still falls asleep. Its torture, might never leave the house 

[ZacsMumme]

Lol it is a bit like that isn't it

Ladies I think the CN is ruining our day...what do you think? - I'm tempted to ditch it cold turkey.

With CN
WU 6.30
Nap 9-10.15
Nap 12.45-2.15
CN 4.45-5.15
BT a fight till he crashes (tried all a times 1.5-2.5 usualy crashes after full A)

Plan for no CN
WU 6.30
Nap 9.15-11.15
Nap 2-4
BT 6.30/7

Am I mad? - do you think OT will come in full force? - T is textbook and relatively easy to settle accept for BT!

[*Kara*]

Sara - I would go for it... honestly, your day looks fine!  DD dropped her CN cold turkey at 5 months 2 weeks and her day wasn't that nice   Sure, we had a sleep total of 14 hrs, but it was 2 x 2hr naps and a 10 hr night...

[ZacsMumme]

Well we have 10-10.5 hr nights here ATM and its all because BT is too late I think and because he fights it so bad he ends up in an UT/OT loop.

Given he is textbook I'm hoping he will cope Today he did
WU 7.10 (but held after EW )
Nap 9.35-11.20
Nap 1.45-3.30 stirred @ 35
Aiming or BT fell asleep on bottle never before! 6pm (now waiting 35 mis for him to wake no doubt )

Just increased A as was getting 1hr15 naps on 2hrs20/30 he is used to taking the CN after 2 hrs. So this may be why he was so tired.

[Papaya]

Fingers crossed for a good night Sara!

MummytoJames, what's your EAS looking like?

EM...ugh, those 5 min naps in the car can just RUIN the next nap Maybe if you can stay in for a week to stick to the longer A times, she'll get used to them and not want to fall asleep earlier quite so easily!

[ZacsMumme]

Ugh Nuala, we had 35 min wake ( which we got anyway) but less of a battle to get back down. Fx for night too!

[Mummy23boys]

Hi Nuala,

Our easy isn't consistent because of short naps but this has been the last few days...

WU 5.30 on and off till 6am
E 6am (will not go back to sleep)
A
S 8.15 to 9.25 (lots of resettling)
E 10
A
S 11.40 to 2 ( lots of resettling)
E 2
A
S 4.20 to 5
E 6
A
S 7.45. 

WU 5.20 on and off till 6
E 6.25
A
S 8.20 to 9.20
E 10.30
A
S 11.35 to 12!! 1.30 to 2pm
E 3
A
S 5pm about 25 mins in car
E 7
A
S 7.30

WU 5.30
E 5.45
S 8.25 to 9.05
E 10
S 11 to 12.30 ( first time he did a proper nap in ages although had to resettle half way through)
E 2
S 2.45 to 3.05
E 6.30
S 8

Sorry that's so long! See what I mean its all over the place! He goes down easily enough for all naps and I'm am trying to push out that first am nap but its hard as I know he is really tired. Today he went down at 8.20am almost instantly and I'm happy to say he's still asleep! So that's something! Do you think maybe 5ish is just his time to wake up? Should I try keep pushing the am nap? Thank you!