Will W2S work for my 10month old?

[mom2elise]

And she's up at 1245 on the dot!    So, I would normally try for nap 2 at 445, hoping she naps until 515, at least, and bedtime at 800?

Is there anything I can do to increase her daytime sleep, perhaps?   To extend nap 1, preferably.    It's usually 60-70 minutes, since we've been consistent with 4 hour "A" before nap 1 and 2.

[*Ali*]

Will she go down for nap 2 any earlier than that? I would only do a 3.5hr A time after a 70min nap if possible. Then you could have her up by 4.45 and BT for 7.45 with asleep by 8...?

[mom2elise]

Does 5 minutes count as earlier?

She did 440-510 for nap 2.     I swear she has an internal clock and knows its been 30 minutes!

[mom2elise]

I think she mostly fell asleep by herself tonight!   Pinky-ed a bit, but the last 5 minutes were on her own A bit later than I wanted (820pm) but, she's asleep.

These teeth are horrible, though.    Even DH suggested we give her Advil before dinner, as she was too upset to eat.   She's had crazy poops too...my normally once a day pooper, has had poop in every diaper today, and been quite gassy.   Grabbing her ears, gnawing her fingers, and anything metallic that she can get her mouth around.   I'm pretty sure she'll be up once the Advil wears off at 200am.    Debating about going in at 915 to try W2S if the 1000pm waking might be OT?

[mom2elise]

Well, that was an odd night.

She was asleep at 820, woke at midnight, and I nursed her (I had a clogged duct on my right side, and was very uncomfortable, so it was actually a win-win situation).    Slept until 530, when we gave Advil and nursed, and then she slept 600-845 (of course she did, as it's daddy daughter morning, and I was out of the house by 800am!). 

So now, nap 1 wont be until 1245.   If she miraculously naps past 230, I guess we'll try for a one nap day?    But what if she only naps an hour?  Should I try nap later?

[katie80]

I swear she has an internal clock and knows its been 30 minutes!

Lots of LOs actually take 30 min naps. They're mostly considered OT.

So now, nap 1 wont be until 1245.   If she miraculously naps past 230, I guess we'll try for a one nap day?    But what if she only naps an hour?  Should I try nap later?

I'm obviously too late for this, but often with a late wakeup like that, I'd try to push a bit farther past normal A, maybe to 1:00 and then nap so hopefully you only have to do one.  Otherwise, yes if she made it til 2:15-2:30, I would have only done one nap with BT at 6:30/7pm. If it was only an hour, I'd have tried for nap 2 at 5:15-5:45 with BT at 8:15 (which it normal for her, I think).

(((Hugs))) on the teething trouble. My DS is struggling like that with his molars right now and it's no fun.

[mom2elise]

Well, the nap actually went really well.   We were out in the morning, and were rushing to get home by 1245, but she fell asleep in the car at 1220.   She was miserable ths morning wth her teeth.  I felt so bad for her.   Debated driving around vs. going home and trying to transfer her, and chose to go home as DH  had lots of yard work to do, and I thought, if the nap is super short, we can always try for a second nap.   She did wake as soon as we pulled into the driveway, but we rushed her upstairs, nursed her a few minutes in the dark, and she was asleep again, and stayed in her crib until 300!   We got so much housework done....finally!

Had plans to go to a BBQ tonight, with a bunch of childless friends, which meant that trying to leave in order to get her home for a decent bedtime was met by "why so early" and "one last hug/kiss"    It took 35 minutes to actually leave, but shes finally asleep in crib at 815.   Argh.

These teeth are horrible.    It goes on for a year?!?   I feel bad giving her pain meds every day

So, today, she fell asleep in the car at 1220, after a 845 wake up, and slept for 2.5 hours.    Do you think that all her other 1 hour naps after 4 hour A are OT?    Or that today is a bit of a fluke because we were in the car, when most weekdays are home with momma instead of all that extra stimulation?    Other times I've tried a shorter morning A have backfired, as she was UT.

[katie80]

So, today, she fell asleep in the car at 1220, after a 845 wake up, and slept for 2.5 hours.    Do you think that all her other 1 hour naps after 4 hour A are OT?    Or that today is a bit of a fluke because we were in the car, when most weekdays are home with momma instead of all that extra stimulation?    Other times I've tried a shorter morning A have backfired, as she was UT.

It's hard to know.  I would guess fluke because you were out and she fell asleep in the car.  That being said, 1hr naps were typically OT for my DD. If you've tried a shorter A in the morning and gotten UT naps, then I don't know that you'd want to go back there, but you could try.  Maybe it looked UT because she's still not settling independently.

[mom2elise]

I know that no child has ever died of "teething" but I think these may be the death of ME.   She is miserable, and in so much pain, her NW is way worse, she was up at 530 this morning, and her naps are all over the place now.

[mom2elise]

So we've had a bit better night sleep (between midnight and 600), and she's getting a much longer nap in the morning, except now, I having trouble getting in a second nap.

Yesterday,

up at 720, nap 1115-115pm,  Tried for nap 2 at 400 (she looked a bit tired, and was fussy, so gave her some tylenol and tried for nap but no luck) in bed by 645, but not asleep until 745. 

she was miserable last night... took a long time to settle, and awake between 900 and 1030 with so much teething pain, but once she was finally asleep at 1030, was fine until 630.

today, so far... up at 630, nap 1015-1245... do I try for nap 2, or just super early bedtime?

and is this truly the start of 2-1 transition?   She'll be 1 year old tomorrow!!!

[katie80]

and is this truly the start of 2-1 transition?   She'll be 1 year old tomorrow!!!

Yes, and Happy Birthday! 

The tricky part of the long nap in the morning is when they start to refuse the pm nap.  The first thing to do is not let the am nap go over 2 hr, until you get to about 4.5 hr A time and the day is a bit more balanced to do one nap.  I'm guessing she needs 4hr A after that first long nap in order to take another one.  The CN can be as short as 20min, just to get her to a decent bedtime without being OT.  At this point, I know a lot of moms AP the second CN either in the stroller or with a quick car ride.  Although, neither of mine have gone the long morning, short afternoon route, so I'm likely not the best one to get advice from.  If you'd like more routine specific help on the 2-1, the support threads are always a good place to go.  Here's a link for the one on the toddler board: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=233197.0

Good luck!  

[mom2elise]

So far, birthday is not going as planned!   Was fussy last night, woke at 800, 1100 and 200. Up at 700, but only took a 35 min nap 1125-1200.   Now what?    When to try nap 2?

[katie80]

I probably would've tried for 2:30/3pm.

[mom2elise]

Ok, I am really confused now.   On Friday,  was up at 700, had nap 1 11:25-1200, nap 2 did not happen (I tried at 230, 330 and 400), was in crib asleep by 715pm, up at 800 (pinky back to sleep) 1000 (pinky back to sleep) and nursed at 4am.

Up for the day on Saturday at 7:20.   Had a great nap (11:45-1:55), so did not even try for nap 2.   Was in crib by 730, but not asleep until 805 (pinky)   WU at 835-900 (pinky) 1007-1010 (pinky)  1110-1123 (nursed) 200-215 (nursed) 600-610 (nursed) and up for the day at 720 .     I nursed all those overnights as I was really tired, and just needed her to go back to sleep.

So... she had a great long 2 hour nap and was up 5 times overnight... but had a crappy 30 minute nap and was up 3 times.   

Are all those early evening WU's OT?      And the overnight WU's?    There are no new teeth yet, but she's not nearly as fussy/in pain so we've backed off on the pain meds.   Just one dose of Advil right after bath, but she's not really as miserable during the day anymore.

What are your thoughts?   I think if we get a few more good long naps over the next few days, I'll work on weaning the pinky.   Basically, I try to soothe her in the crib  without giving her my pinky... or nursing her...  and repeat each time she wakes overnight?    Dreading it already

[katie80]

Are all those early evening WU's OT?      And the overnight WU's?   

Yes, the early evening WUs are OT. The overnight ones are either still OT, discomfort, or just the lack of her ability to self-soothe. The fact that there were less on the night of the really bad nap could be just because she was exhausted.

Basically, I try to soothe her in the crib  without giving her my pinky... or nursing her...  and repeat each time she wakes overnight? 

Yep. I think you know what to do, it's just a matter of doing it. You'll find tweaks that suit her and help her learn to self-soothe during the process. And don't dread it too much. You never know..  she may surprise you!