Set naps vs activity time

[nikkinoo69]

I know what you mean about video monitors! Trying not to obsess..... says me obsessing about my DD's sleep!!!

I guess that the thing was that she stired and opened her eyes at other times and I don't think at the 45 min mark!!

She's already had a couple of NW and she's only be down 2 1/2 hours...

She used to be able to do almost 3 hours on catnap of 45 minutes - you can see that I wasn't quite doing a BW routine... but not any more!

So how do I get rid of OT if not by putting her to bed early?? I'm confused!

[ZacsMumme]

I guess that the thing was that she stired and opened her eyes at other times and I don't think at the 45 min mark!!

thats ok, they do that hun - sometimes in their light sleep even

She's already had a couple of NW and she's only be down 2 1/2 hours...

sounds like OT at BT.

So what was your EASY today?

[nikkinoo69]

That's what I thought.

Here it is:
WU1-3ish!! (not sure why – water seemed to settle)
WU5.45&7am(?)
10.15-11.45 (woke her up as needed to go out)
2.45-4.15 (disturbed sleep???)
BT 6.55 with dummy ( usually goes to sleep for BT independently)
WU 8ish, 9ish


She's just had really bad naps and nighttime sleeps the past couple of weeks.

Just to give you an idea of the past few days:

Thursday
Bad night – replugged a few times
WU3ish, 4ish, 5.10, 5.45 for the day, 6.30-7.10
9.30-11.30!!
2.30-3.15 3.20-4.30
Bed 7.15

Friday
WU3.15, 4ish, 5.35, replugged till 6.40
9.55-11.30
2.35/40-4.10
Bed 6.45

Saturday
WU2ish and 4ish (for the day? Replugged)
WU6.15 (woken up by DH's snoring??!)
9.55-11.05 (1.10hrs - trying for set naps but too long an A time)
2.30-3.15 3.20- 3.30 3.50 WU
6-6.20
7.45 (in bed by 7.15)

[ZacsMumme]

She is a tough one isn't she. My Z was a little like this till the 2-1 (EW random NW etc )
SO we have teething possibly playing a part, a developmental leap, the paci needing replugged... its a tough age.

With the paci, now it a good time to work on getting her able to replug herself, This will help with the NW. I would put 3-4 in the cot with her, and let her practice with it during A time so she can handle it herself eventually.

When did you start solids? I found these can mess with the early hours in the morning when Los are disgesting

Your 1.5hr ish nap in the AM looks good. I would make sure you don't PD before 3hrs A time though. Or try a set nap of 9 or 9.30
I think you may be PD too much for naps when she has a short one ie if you can get her to resettle count that as a good nap, rather than a rubbish one as it looks like she is UT at BT on those days you have given more sleep ie a CN or tried EBT because nap was broken but later in the day.

What do you think?

[scruffymax]

With the paci, now it a good time to work on getting her able to replug herself, This will help with the NW. I would put 3-4 in the cot with her, and let her practice with it during A time so she can handle it herself eventually.

My LO is 6.5 months and has been replugging herself overnight for about a month.  We put one on a chain attached to her sleeping bag.  Occasionally we need to replug overnight (maybe once/week or so).  I also let her play with them during A time for a few days and then tried to guide her hand to it for repluggings overnight and she got the hang of it within about 3 days.

[ZacsMumme]

Great. Just checking, when you say chain you mean a safe short reign...no way she could accidently strangle herself?

[scruffymax]

It's probably about 10-15cm long.  She sleeps on her tummy so even if it did somehow wrap around her neck I can't see how the front of her neck would be compressed.  I tried putting several dummies in the cot but with her arms thrashing about they were all on the floor within 30 seconds!  I've since acquired one of those mesh bumpers but haven't put it on the cot yet as we don't currently have a need for it.

[ZacsMumme]

We have an airwrap bumper, like a mesh one but with padding and fully breathable. Its Fantastic, and keeps the pacis in

How did your night go?

[nikkinoo69]

Thanks so much for your input Zacsmumme & scruffymax 

Last night was a whole lot better then the night before when she was up every 45 mins from about midnight to 3ish, needing her dummy replugged... and then awake again at half 5.. it was a rather tough night, but hey, I got through it in the end :-/

Anyway, last night she only woke up twice and DH and I decided to see if she could get herself back to sleep (she has done before when wakes during the night) and within 10 minutes of some moaning (mantra cry?) she got herself back to sleep - clever girl! Yep, I agree that I should be training her to replug.

We still had a fairly EW but I really do expect this when her naps aren't good, which they weren't yesterday and especially when there's a build-up of OT which I think there has got to be considering the number of 10 hour sleeps she has had over the past couple of weeks with poor daytime naps.

Yes, it could also be developmental, not sure about the digestion side of things, as I've been going quite slowly with weaning which I started about a month ago but who knows.

She probably is teething - 2 teeth came through about a month ago but they didn't seem to bother not, not that others won't bother her! I have an amber anklet virtually permanently on her ankle - who knows if it works!

Not sure what you mean by:  ...or tried EBT because nap was broken but later in the day. Didn't quite follow your line of thought, perhaps you could explain.

And today... well LO had ridiculously long sleeps, almost 5 hours spread over 2 naps!!! It could all go pear-shaped and she could wake up at 54m for the day, but somehow I don't think so! The other day she had 4 hours in day naps and still did 11 1/2 hours at night. I guess it's the 6 million dollar question - how long does it take for a LO to get over their OT?!

Fingers crossed we have good night!

Thanks again.

[ZacsMumme]

Sorry, what I meant was if the pm nap is short, and you manage to resettle, so overall a long nap
Ie nap 2-2.35 resettle nap 2.45-3.45
Then you still need to give a good A to BT. Sometimes when the naps are unsettled its easy to think lo needs EBT but it an backfire as LO UT

Wow great catch up. I would say she has caught up if you have had 4-5 hrs of naps over 2 days and an 11.5 hr night

Greats she is self settling. X

[nikkinoo69]

Ok, so the night didn't go exactly to plan!

She does have a cough poor sweetheart, so woke up at 2ish for 1/2h an hour. Then she woke at 6.10, which if you take off 1/2 hour of wake up during the night, gives a EW at about 5.30! Which is what has been happening for the past couple of weeks. So last night she only had about 10 hours sleep again.... grrrr...

APOPed her at 6.10 but it only gave 1/2 hour extra so that didn't work. I'm nervous about giving too much sleep now during the day, but I who knows how much sleep she needs!!!!

Oh, she woke up quite happy!

Any other reasons for EW?

[nikkinoo69]

Sorry, also meant to just ask, do I accept that my days are 5.30-6am (with 2 x 1.5-2 hour naps), or try and extend the day as I'm trying to do and give her longer naps and put her down later? I know that the bedtime I'm doing is an EBT, as 2 1/2 hours after wake up from 2nd nap really isn't alot. I just can't help think that she's REALLY OT even though she seems basically fine (random yawning and eye rubbing during the day...) When you say that EBT will backfire as UT could that lead to EW?

[nikkinoo69]

One more thing  Before I was doing a BW routine, I was doing almost 3hours from 45 CN to BT with no EW - now I'm doing about that on an 1 1/2 hour nap!! So... do you think it's a good idea to extend the time to BT from 2nd nap? And if so, how long? Do I try the same A time until BT for a few days and see if she settles?

LO has never had so much sleep during the day! She used to sleep 3 hours tops and then do a 11 1/2 hour night - now she's doing 3 1/2 hours daytime naps and only 10-11 hours a night with an EW.

[ZacsMumme]

I think you know your LO best Hun, it could ell be she is LSN and she is getting too much day sleep.
I would def give a good 3 hrs between naps, and maybe a touch longer to BT if you think that the EW is caused from short A to bed (some are so could well be that)