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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2012, 00:16:34 am »
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Also trying to figure out which sleep training method would be best for him considering our history.  He has total independence through the night....which would make me think WI/WO, but then he's been sleeping on me for months...so then I think GW. 

What do I do if he doesn't sleep all day?  He's terrible (especially these days) and make up sleep during the night.  Lately it doesn't seem to matter how early I put him down...he's still only doing 10h30-40.

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2012, 23:01:10 pm »
Getting pushed far down...hope it's okay that I post to bump up.

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2012, 11:52:14 am »
Hi there, just jumping in briefly no experience at all, but does yr lo cot have sides you can pull right down? How about getting lo VERY drowsy then laying in the cot but you at the side... Then work on it being in with just yr arm, then yr hand etc?

I can see yr getting great advice so just some thoughts. Also try laying yr robe or something of yours on the cot as your smell might comfort and relax x
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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2012, 14:35:22 pm »
No....those cribs are band here.  So many times I have wished I could put the side down.

In the past, when I start the training and put him down drowsy he just get super upset as soon a I put him down....so it's kind of like "what's the point?" kwim?

I was thinking of putting a blanket in there....put worry that it will just be a distraction.  He's very alert and has a hard time shutting down (blacked out room...like no one spec of light coming from anything and sound machine).  I tried getting him attached to a lovey and that put it in bed with him one night.....he just played with it for an hour lol.

Maybe it's worth trying again...

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2012, 15:15:28 pm »
Loveys take awhile for the novelty to wear off. Usually they are given at a younger age, but you could try again. Sleep with it a few nights so it smells like you. Use it when you cuddle him and/or feed him if you still nurse or do any bottles. Give it that snuggly, mommy, sleepy association. Then go ahead and try again. My DS just recently started asking for his this past week. It is an elephant head attached to a blankey square. When I take him to his room he says "Phant?" and looks for it. I give it to him, he let's me rock him while singing rockabye baby and then I lay him down and he rolls over, gets comfy and goes to sleep.

As far as methods go, he'll probably resist WI/WO a lot stronger than he would a GW, though he WILL protest both. He's not going to like the change, no matter what it is. The WI/WO will probably work faster overall, b/c once he learns he has to fall asleep alone, that's it. When he accepts the change, he'll find a way to soothe himself. With GW, although gentler, he will accept the change, then accept the change from lying on you to touching your hand for example, then accept the change from touching to seeing you, then accept the change from seeing you to hearing you, then...and so on and so on. Then the LAST step is still to accept the final change of going to sleep alone and finding a way to self soothe. So it takes many more steps before he gets to the stage of learning how to get himself to sleep. Generally, speaking anyway.

So for deciding on a method you have to ask what you think would be best for both HIM and you. I always liked faster methods but that was b/c I hated dragging out the ordeal and I was usually always working full time. Plus my kids tended to not fall asleep with me present at this age as it seemed to rile them up that they could SEE me but I wouldn't pick them up. They are both a bit spirited though.







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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2012, 23:59:00 pm »
My LO is totally spirited when it comes to sleep.  He has a very difficult time shutting down and he's so alert and therefore everything distracts him.  His room has to be pitch black....so even if I'm in there, he can't see me.  He also has a sound machine to block out all other noises that bother him. 

The last time I tried sleep training he seemed to get really ticked with me present.  I just feel bad going from sleeping on me...to just leaving the room.  Seems like a such a drastic change. 

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2012, 00:23:34 am »
It is a drastic change, but you have to remember a few things. 1. He's a bit older so you can start talking about it ahead of time. He'll understand more than you think he does. 2. He KNOWS how to go to sleep. So yes he'll protest but you're not expecting him to do something he has no idea how to do. 3. You are doing the BEST thing for both him and you. Good, restorative sleep is health need. So choosing to work toward him being able to get himself to sleep will be a positive thing. If he continues to nap on you, he'll get older and older and less likely to nap alone ever which may lead to you always needing to be there until he's old enough to drop his nap or to him dropping early or to him not sleeping as well at night b/c he starts to want to sleep with you then as well.

Even so, if you are that uncomfortable making a drastic change, then go ahead and TRY a gradual approach. If it's pitch black and he has white noise, it may be okay to try to use touch, your voice, and gradually move out of the room. You'll know within a few days if it is going to work for him or not.







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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2012, 14:52:13 pm »
He knew how to go to sleep the last time I tried to nap train too....but maybe the hospital trauma was still too fresh?  I'm so nervous that we're going to fail again.  I tried for 3 weeks last time and got nowhere....what on earth am I going to do if that happens again?  I can't go back to him sleeping on me again....it's just not something that I'll physically be able to do anymore.  He's just too heavy.  At the same time....I feel like I'm left with no choice if it doesn't work.  After 3 weeks of little day time sleep our nights began to fall apart....that's the last thing I want to happen again. 

He's a bit older so you can start talking about it ahead of time. He'll understand more than you think he does.

What types of things could I say that he would understand? 

I was also thinking of changing up his nap time routine when we start?  An osteopath had suggested making it more like his bedtime...so I was thinking of that.  I just figure if I keep everything the same as it is now....but put him down, he's just going to be so upset and confused. Maybe if I change things up and make it more like BT (when he does go down all on his own) then maybe he will be more receptive?



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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2012, 19:41:38 pm »
What do you do at bedtime?   Do you have a specific winddown? 

I think Kim, just go for it.  Lots of chat like Nicole says.  'Oh its naptime and you are going to lie in your cot and go to sleep.  Just like night time.  mummy is still here.  Its just time for sleep'.

I would probably aim to just put him down when he is tired and then leave as you do at bedtime.  If he gets upset and is doing his 'I need you cry' go in and reassure with your sleepy phrase and resettle then leave again and so on.  Try for 45 minutes and then get him up and try again in another half hour. 

Remember he will protest.  He has been sleeping on you for a long while but remember he isn't crying because he is sad, he is crying because he is confused that things are changing and probably cross too.

How much A time is he needing before a nap?





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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2012, 14:43:28 pm »
One of our biggest problems has always been that he doesn't give us any sleepy signs....so I have to watch the clock and I never feel like we really have it right, kwim? 

Right now our A times are 4hrs, 4hrs and 3h15min.  He does about 1h10 AM nap on a good day and then 30 - 45min PM nap (has NEVER done a longer PM nap). I'm almost positive that there's no way he will ever end up doing that CN in his crib.  I feel that this nap training will push us to the 1 nap.

Our BT is always the same.  30 min of quite play before going up for bath, get in our PJ's, a song and then I put him down.  At night I still BF before bath, but obviously this won't become a part of our nap routine (and either would bath). 

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2012, 23:18:56 pm »
...and thinking about starting tomorrow, but super anxious about it.

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2012, 14:18:34 pm »
So chickened out because we had a good few days....then got reminded why I was going to start, after having a really bad day.  So official plan is Saturday. 

Question...I'm worried about him not getting any sleep.  Would it be wrong to still APOP his afternoon CN?  I'm just wondering because I know that one is going to dropped soon enough anyway...but if it's going to negatively effect his learning for his main nap, then I won't do it.  Like I mentioned before...I just so nervous about our nights falling apart again due to lack of sleep.

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2012, 14:35:29 pm »
So I started yesterday and now I have some questions..

He cried right through the first attempt, so I brought him downstairs for a short A time.  Nap training is much different this time around with him being older...there's longer A times to deal with and meals.  How do I juggle snacks and meal times when now we're cutting into our usual schedule?  If I went back upstairs 40 min later...then that would have been beginning of his usual snack time.  If I waited longer...then cutting into lunch.  I ended up giving him half a lunch before going upstairs....but then had to give him a bit of time to digest as well..therefore I didn't go back up for just over an hour.  By this time...he had been awake for 6 hours, so when I tried again he just passed right out within seconds of putting him down.

He slept 1h5min....but now he was up at 1pm.  Great that he slept...but it happened to screw the rest of our day.  It would be too late for another nap....but way too much A time before BT.  He sucks at tacking onto his nights....so I can only put him down so early.  Put him down 30 min early and got maybe an extra 25 min out of his night sleep.

So do people handle training toddlers?  How am I supposed to handle things when he's only crashing in the middle of the day and it doesn't leave us enough time for nap 2?

Please help.

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Re: Nap training....time to make another attempt :(
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2012, 23:15:39 pm »
Hi Kim, I noticed you've been the only one posting for a bit so thought I'd jump in and see if I can't help at all. How have things been going the last couple days? I think what you described for the first day is very normal. A shorter OT nap and then an EBT. Does he fall asleep in the car or stroller?  That's what I'd did with my DD as she moved to one nap if the nap wasn't long enough. I'd get her about 20-30 min around 4pm and she was still ready for bed at about 7/7:30, because of the longer A times and less sleep. Otherwise, I wonder if maybe you just haven't tried early enough with your EBT. After a day like that, I'd have gone a whole hour earlier. Even if EBT hasn't worked as much in the past, it may now. These babies like to change it up on us sometimes. And it does tend to work better during transitions, like to one nap or no nap.

(((Hugs))), I know you've been anxious and this isn't a fun process, but in the end it will be worth it.