Question About one nap early bed times

[Claudiamummy]

Hi all,

Qq from me....

Enough is enough and we are moving to one nap
Dd had an AWFUL night last night, so although I was planning to go to 12.30, she was on her knees at 12 (6.55 wu which is amazing for us, but she was awake at 10,12 then 1-2am screaming as it was dh due to her SA)

So, my question is.... When ebt is discussed during translation do this mean cut A time?
Eg, dd did 5 hours A this morn
Prob a 1.5hr nap (it's never more)
I am thinking to cut pm A to 4.5 hr?

Now setting nap times, does this mean a set bedtime as well? Dd will catnap in her buggy after 4 hours but will NOT go in her cot until anywhere from 5-6 hours, but as it all depends on the night we had, we are caught in a viscous circle!!!

I urgently need my sanity back.... If the set naps all go wrong, how long could the OT fallout last?

Thankyou
Tired and slightly hysterical
Claire
Xxx

[katie80]

So, my question is.... When ebt is discussed during translation do this mean cut A time?
Eg, dd did 5 hours A this morn
Prob a 1.5hr nap (it's never more)
I am thinking to cut pm A to 4.5 hr?

From your signature, I see she's 16.5 mo, correct? I would think that with a 1.5hr nap, she can likely go the full 5 hr A to BT as well, but yes an EBT would be to pull back to 4.5hr A.  However, that would be expecting a 13hr night, and I'm not sure you'd get that at this age.   The way I did it was I worked for a 12hr day; if the nap was less than 1.5hr, I pulled bedtime back by about 15-30 min.  If the nap was 1.5 hr or more, I pushed through til normal BT.

Now setting nap times, does this mean a set bedtime as well?

Are you setting according to the clock or using set A times?  Normally, if you're going with the clock, bedtime is set as well and you fluctuate by no more than 15-30min if you get a poor nap.  I would try using set A times first, though as the transition to one nap can need some flexibility.  But, I don't know much of your story, so maybe you've already tried that.  If you do set naps, you need to stick to it for about 2 weeks before making any changes.  The OT should take care of itself by then.

(((Hugs))), these transitions are not ever easy!!

[*Kara*]

So, my question is.... When ebt is discussed during translation do this mean cut A time?
Eg, dd did 5 hours A this morn
Prob a 1.5hr nap (it's never more)
I am thinking to cut pm A to 4.5 hr?

Any nap less that 2 hrs is generally OT at this age hun...

I would almost be incline to think she is in the UT/OT loop... 5 hrs A time is the low end for her age... I would push closer to 5.5 hrs, nap, then see what happens

[Claudiamummy]

Hi ladies thanks so much for your responses,

So last night dd actually STTN!!!!! Omg I am in shock!!!!!!!
This was how it went
am 5hr A but as she went in due to awful night
Wu after an hour but I ap to get extra from her

Nap around 1.40

Pm 4.50hr

Nightsleep 6.50-5.30!!

Now, I do NOT want to be ungrateful as that is the first sttn in MONTHS, but I really do not want 5.30 to be our wu... But she is like blinking clockwork, I am going to try W2s but if that does not work then that is why I was going to "set" by the clock... But Katie, perhaps set A is better..... It's SO confusing!!! Katie thanks  for yr detailed reply. It was so useful!!

Kara, I was going to cn this am due to early start, but I have pushed to 5.5hrs. I can usually tell OT, and although her naps are still 1.5, she I'd really upset when OT.... Happy when not kwim?

I feel like the blasted cn might have to come back so I can w2s....then I have to MAE a decision as it's ruling us!!

Thanks again ladies much appreciated

[Claudiamummy]

5.5 too much.... She woke screaming mid nap (

[Claudiamummy]

So.... This is how it went

5.25 wu
10.50 sleep (seemed too long)
Crying 45 mins later, straight b2s with ap
12.50 wu
6pm sleep for the night

I just don't think she can do more than 5hrs A, but her nap is 1.5hr and 12.5hr sleep is just not gonna happen....

Our 2 nap days go like this

5.30am wu
9.30-10.10 cn
10.10-2.10 atime
2.10-3.40 S
3.40-8.40 A
8.40 Sleep (prob up again around 5.30)

I know massive days....

[katie80]

Yay for STTN!

When you say w2s, are you meaning for naps or for the 5:30am WU? I would say that you'll likely need the CN when WU is that early. Are you able to resettle at the EW at all? If you could hold her to 5.5hr A for a few days or a week and resettle her when she wakes, she might start doing it on her own.

I actually think your two nap days could use a tweak.  They are really long and not getting you anywhere.  I would cut the CN back to 30 min and then after a few days to 20 min, so the pm nap can happen earlier and the day isn't so long.

With my DD at this age, I did something like this:
Wake 6 am
Nap 1 10-10:20 am
Nap 2 1:20-3:00 pm
BT 7 pm

She might need a tad more A time after the pm nap, as my DD liked it shorter, but do you think something like that might work for you on 2 nap days?

[Claudiamummy]

Hey katie :-)

Thankyou for your kind reply once again.

I was thinking of W2s on her early wu.... I try to resettle her but she often ask for a feed (I am still bf am and pm) and although I do my best to ap, she will not have it (little monkey!)

It's yuk think 5.30 is our w/u

I am super nervous as at around 8/9m i pushed her A Waaaaay to far and we ended up in a relm
I never want to go back to.. Early w/u, nw, screaming short naps... The works:(( I would also say we lost "some" independence as well as even know she needs a lot of cuddles before going in the cot and will not go in a min earlier, but that's all a different story ( and it's all ok now :-))

know what you mean about the long day, just so fearful
What's the "safest option"
Interrupting the cn or pushing A?

Sorry as I know I am contradicting myself after my rant about setting naps!!!

Dd didn't drop her 3rd nap until bang on 9m and she just did it clearly with no fuss, a straight refusal and that was it. Gone. I had always though she would be 18m on this transition but my god it's painful!!! Lol

Before going I just want to say you little captain pic is soooooo cute!!:)

[katie80]

Before going I just want to say you little captain pic is soooooo cute!!:)

LOL, thanks!

What's the "safest option"
Interrupting the cn or pushing A?

I would try cutting the CN, as if she's touchy with OT (i.e. being pushed), that would be a 'safer' way.  But, at the same time, it seems she's easily resettled (even if it is APd) back to sleep at the longer A time, so I don't think that's totally out of the question.  The difficulty with pushing to one nap is the early morning, that's why I'd stick with the CN, but make it shorter so the day isn't so long and hopefully you can work at getting the WU later.

[Claudiamummy]

Yep... Sounds a plan..... Will make a start next Wk(after the bank hol and grandad visiting!!)

Katie thankyou for your support xx

[Claudiamummy]

Whooops me again...

Ok this morn dd woke at 5 (harsh but she was in bed at 6) we had some nw from 9.30-10pm to me trying to push  her amA to 5.5hr but  I cut pm back to 5 and other than that one, she did great.

I let her have 40mins this am after 4hrs, she always is able to snooze at that time...she woke very unhappy andgrumpy but we had to go out...

Trying to do pm nap has been a nightmare!! She was yawning a bit, but was going mad everytime I went in her room. I am so confused to if it was ot or ut.... I finally got her relaxed in sling and she went off after 4.5hr (usual is 4)...

It's now 2.30pm and she woke at 5am arrrr

Paranoid she was ot


5.5hrs,

[Claudiamummy]

Sorry 5.5hr at end was typo lol

[Claudiamummy]

It was ot.... Dd woke at 55 mins crying, but when I laid with her she went straight back to sleep

I am losing the plot.... Lol!!
X

[katie80]

Sounds like you might need to do a little catchup and then can start cutting the CN shorter. 

[Claudiamummy]

Minor rant from me.....

After this last post dd came down with a 24hr bug and could but she is well over it now

We are trialing at nursery, so after a late start  Monday I decided to go one nap....

5hr A am(way too much after night she had but it had to be)
1.5hrnap woke crying ap another 20mins
5hr A
Bt
Nw from 2.30-4am

Tuesday
5hr A
1.10nap wu crying
Ap another hr and 20
5hr A
Bt

Today wu 4.50am would not resettle
Cn 3.5A for 20mins (she wu)
3hr 40... Got her down Gave NO signals on tiredness but apparently I missed the window and she was crying

Gah!!!!!!! Short cn is wtong, one nap is wrong!!
The ONLY time it's right is when i time her exactly 4/4/4.5 , but then we have massive days, short night and ew!!!

GAH, rubbish..... Hating guessing all the time and being slave to the OT!!!!!!