15 mo, never sttn *update-she did it!!*

[louis-mummy]

Yeah I was thinking she's obviously very switched-on and would probably know that youre still in the house, albeit downstairs.

I know it will feel horrible withholding milk from her 

Hugs for tonight

[C&B&E]

Just wanted to update that Evelyn settled herself to sleep tonight  !  I fed her, read her a story, and then put her in her cot with a book and a little night-light.  She started fussing and I explained (again  ) that there was no more milk or stories, and left her room and within 10 minutes she was asleep with minimal fuss!  Such a relief. 

Now to just get rid of the night feed  !

[katie80]

Woohoo!! Way to go, E!

Now to just get rid of the night feed  !

**whispering** You're not the only one that still has a NF to get rid of.

[louis-mummy]

Just wanted to update that Evelyn settled herself to sleep tonight  !  I fed her, read her a story, and then put her in her cot with a book and a little night-light.  She started fussing and I explained (again  ) that there was no more milk or stories, and left her room and within 10 minutes she was asleep with minimal fuss!  Such a relief. 

Now to just get rid of the night feed  !

Awesome update 

[*Becky*]

great news

[C&B&E]

Thought I'd pop back for some more help 

Positives....Ev is settling to sleep *much* better on the whole.  feed, cuddle in the dark, lay in bed awake and will sometimes cry and need a back stroke for a couple of minutes, but generally is fine 

Not so great...she is up several times in the night still and although she will sometimes settle back with DH before midnight, most night wakings she will NOT settle at all unless she is fed (so I usually just feed her  ).  We stayed firm the other night and I didn't feed her and she full on *screamed* and was in a desperate mess for nearly an hour with dh, and finally conked out.  But she has hysterically screamed for two hours before now  and I just don't know what we do about it  .   I just don't know if it's reflux discomfort (the milk may be soothing her if it is) but she is on max doses of medication  .  Can these amounts of night wakings and this much screaming be 'just' a prop issue? 

[Truly Blessed]

Hi Honey, I don't have any BTDT advice on the BF prop thing at DD's age but my gut would tell me something else is also going on. Two hours seems a long time to continuously scream for milk, without passing out through exhaustion, which makes me think the reason it can take so long may be discomfort of some sort. But as I say, I'm not an expert on this subject so hopefully some of the Ladies will also chip in.

I do always have sympathy and (HUGS) at the ready though.x.

[becj86]

Hugs xx

You know I'm still feeding at some NW's - when DS demands it We have had an increasing number of nights when he has slept right through or has settled himself back to sleep quite happily with no intervention. I'm going to and fro with the idea that its a prop issue - I just don't know that it is. I think for DS its emotional need because I *know* he knows how to go to sleep but he really does wake and ask very articulately for me/DH and the other won't do and sometimes is happy with a cuddle and other times asks clearly for milk. As I have said on another thread, Logan screamed for 3hr and eventually DH just begged me to feed him, so we won't be doing that again any time soon. Knowing L, I cannot believe that he'd scream for 3hr over something he doesn't *need* on some level.

I did decide to ride it out and there have been times I've been really 'over it' and just wanted to stop but those thoughts last maybe 10mins, long enough to post but not long enough to really carry through consistently night after night. I don't think that's anything to be embarrassed about either. 

Any teeth on the move causing a flare?

What's your gut tell you? What is your main concern re: the sleep - effect on you/family, effect on her (not having the solid sleep), something else?

Has she got allergy/intolerance issues that could be causing tummy pains/reflux?

[babybarr]

Any teeth on the move causing a flare?

I too wondered this.

I don't have any btdt experience on feeding to sleep but I'm inclined to agree with Bec, I suspect if you'd her straight away she may not wake several times more or have you tried that   Have you tried her with water?

((((((hugs))))) from a mummy of a 4.5yr old who still wakes

[C&B&E]

What's your gut tell you? What is your main concern re: the sleep - effect on you/family, effect on her (not having the solid sleep), something else?

Has she got allergy/intolerance issues that could be causing tummy pains/reflux?

My main concern is that I am absolutely exhausted - and it is majorly effecting every part of life.  DS often has a couple of short NWs too, and is a habitual EWer - so on an average night DH are getting about 5 hours of broken sleep.  I often can't get back to sleep after I've got up to feed her so some nights this week I've only had 4 hours  .  So, I really need to sort this out. 

She is MSPI and I do wonder if there is something else going on - I am just about to order some probiotics.  She is a late teether so only has two teeth so far, so I suppose that could be causing a flare - thing is though that her sleep has *always* been terrible, and her first tooth only came through at 14 months!!

I don't have any btdt experience on feeding to sleep but I'm inclined to agree with Bec, I suspect if you'd her straight away she may not wake several times more or have you tried that   Have you tried her with water?

If I feed her she still wakes later on.  Most nights up until now I have just fed her straight away, it is only the last few days we have started trying to get DH to settle her.  Yep, tried water - she's having none of it  ! 

[Truly Blessed]

My main concern is that I am absolutely exhausted - and it is majorly effecting every part of life.

Oh Hun, bless you all, sleep deprivation is just the worst. IMHO if you feel this is something that is going to go on for the long term then I don't see as you having any choice but to work on removing the 'prop'. Sometimes dealing with an awful situation short term is 'do-able' because you know that you are making progress and one day soon you will get more sleep, but when it seems to be a never ending situation then it is even more exhausting and can push you to breaking point.

You can't cope long term on 5 hours broken sleep, your body will break and you need to be feeling well for both your LO's.

Lots of sympathy and a hug big (HUG)

x.

[babybarr]

Could she need more A time or something before bed?  Perhaps a routine tweak?  Only cos she may need to sleep more heavily

[becj86]

My main concern is that I am absolutely exhausted - and it is majorly effecting every part of life.  DS often has a couple of short NWs too, and is a habitual EWer - so on an average night DH are getting about 5 hours of broken sleep.  I often can't get back to sleep after I've got up to feed her so some nights this week I've only had 4 hours  .  So, I really need to sort this out. 

Fair enough, just wanting to understand your motivation. Sleep deprivation is really hard and as Vicki said, sometimes it is easier to deal with some difficult nights with the goal of getting more sleep.

She is MSPI and I do wonder if there is something else going on

For me personally, having this uncertainty in my mind while STing has been the thing that makes me cave before I've even really begun. I guess what I'm saying is that IME, you (and your DH) will need to be 100% decided that sleep training is the right path and you have the right plan for it to work

Posted with Laura - I presume she's on one nap? If not, I'm guessing its because she's too tired from the bad nights - maybe that is the push she needs?

BIG hugs xx

[anna*]

Apologies if I've missed this, but does she go to sleep truly independently? Does she go into her cot wide awake? Does she definitely know how to get herself to sleep without being fed? And an unrelated question, will she take a bottle?

[Truly Blessed]

will she take a bottle?

I wondered this too.x.