15 mo, never sttn *update-she did it!!*

[*Becky*]

"Just keep swimming, just keep swimming....."

bless you!!
FWIW M is only half spirited but we are having lots of the same right now. 1.15 naps at best (Fri was 35 mins!) and last night DH had to deal with her at BT as she was crying so much but when I went to her she would try talking to me inbetween crying!!
I 'think' we have canines about to push through - could Ev be struggling with that?

[*Becky*]

did you do 2 naps today?

[C&B&E]

Am doing two naps today as she was up from 3.50am-5am  .  What time do you think I should do a second nap?

A - 6.30am
S - 9.50ish (not sure exactly when she dropped off) - 10.20 capped
S - ?

She seems to be waking up at 4ish every day and screaming for 1-2 hours.  This has been going on now for almost two weeks despite us being consistent - no NFs (apart from the couple over a week ago when she was poorly), no feeding just before bedtime.  She will often settle back but then as soon as we move to go out of the room she wakes again, and just screams and screams  .  She doesn't seem to be teething (only got two teeth so definitely not canines yet!).  She's often just screaming for half an hour at bedtimes still - how long can it take for them to learn fully independent sleep....we're losing the plot here   

[anna*]

Honestly I think I'd probably stick with one nap from now on. She's 16 months old and sometimes I think going back and forth between one nap and two doesn't help matters. How about trying W2S at about 3am?

[*Becky*]

if you are doing 2 today I would do second nap at about 1.30pm.
So many hugs - if it were me I would do meds for the early hours waking - maybe a DF meds if that is possible. It could be she is very sensitive to pain and sometimes the teeth pushing down can hurt a lot.

[Truly Blessed]

Hi Sweetie, dropping of some ((Hugs)) and sympathy  IIWM I would probably try and stick with 1 nap too, even though I know how hard that can be (BTDT) but if you could push her even to 4.5 from WU then you can allow her an uncapped nap and organise BT accordingly. SEBT often results in tacking where as EBT doesn't because (I may have said this before    ) the OT monster has CU when SEBT has been and gone and EBT has arrived. I think this is for many EBT doesn't work. Are you at home to do SEBT  It's worth a try  By adding an extra hours A time on to the day you can rob way in excess of an hour over night.

I agree with Becky about nap time, I would go with 3.5 maximum to hopefully achieve a decent nap, although I wonder if slightly shorter would be better 

Remind me have you tried W2S for the 4am WU  How long has she slept by then 

x.

[*Becky*]

yes I must admit you know how loathe I am to do EBT's but the last few days m has literally done abut a 40 min nap with plenty of crying involved so we have been doing EBT and last night she slept 13 hours!!
Today I did contemplate 2 (I know it is largely OT) but the faff involved has made me resolve to stick with 1. Obviously if she was awake for the day at 5am it would be different.
I think you have nothing to lose with the meds, at least you will know then if pain is contributing.

[Truly Blessed]

so we have been doing EBT and last night she slept 13 hours!!

That's great Becky  how is she  do you think it's down to her being poorly or the short nap or both  Or just that EBT worked for once  nooooo surely not lol 

x.

[*Becky*]

she has a thick cold but meds make no difference at all so either she has 4 teeth coming in at once or more likely she can't breathe properly. I cannot figure it out because nights are fine but naps are so so bad. Just done another 1.10 today. Better than 40 I guess....

[Truly Blessed]

Ah bless her, maybe it's a bit if both.  I think sometimes because the nap is lighter sleep they're more affected than at NT. Hope it's over soon.

Sorry Claire! hijacking   

x.

[*Becky*]

yes sorry!

[C&B&E]

I cannot figure it out because nights are fine .

Becky, I do not mind you hijacking my thread but you must not post comments like this  !!  Yey for her 13 hour night  , boo for her cold. 

And back to Little Miss rubbish nights, rubbish naps.....

IIWM I would probably try and stick with 1 nap too, even though I know how hard that can be (BTDT) but if you could push her even to 4.5 from WU then you can allow her an uncapped nap and organise BT accordingly. SEBT often results in tacking where as EBT doesn't because (I may have said this before    ) the OT monster has CU when SEBT has been and gone and EBT has arrived. I think this is for many EBT doesn't work. Are you at home to do SEBT  It's worth a try  By adding an extra hours A time on to the day you can rob way in excess of an hour over night.

Yep, I haven't done 2 naps for ages - in fact only attempted a handful over the past few months if she's been up at some unearthly hour!  But today I just felt like there was no option.  She is taking short naps almost every day - sometimes only 30 minutes.  Yesterday she took a better 1.5 hour nap but that was only because I put her down early at 11am (she's always done better with short first A time) - and so we always end up with a looong afternoon.  I am a massive fan of SEBTs (Ben still goes to bed at 5pm occasionally!) but I just find that because of how long it takes for her to settle, and also having B to look after, they just end up being regular EBTs which aren't enough, so she just wakes 10 hours later.  I think that's probably why we're having these persistant 4am-ish wake-ups. 

Funnily enough today she has settled beautifully for each sleep time - *completely* uncharacteristic which makes me wonder if OT is causing much of the problem now  . 

Remind me have you tried W2S for the 4am WU  How long has she slept by then 

No, I've not tried it - and I think I will start if she doesn't sleep any better tonight.  She has normally slept between 9-10 hours by then.  I know she would go straight back with a feed and that is the painful part  .  Actually, no, the painful part is that she wakes at 4, takes til 5.15am to settle and then B wakes at 5.30    !  Off to bed in a minute...thanks for your help ladies 

[*Becky*]

Becky, I do not mind you hijacking my thread but you must not post comments like this   !

oops, yes sorry hun!!

I do think it sounds like OT...M has been very much the same. The one day I did 2 naps she ended up sleeping 1.5 hours and no crying at BT. Every other day has been a short nap

Good luck for tonight xxx

[Truly Blessed]

Becky, I do not mind you hijacking my thread but you must not post comments like this   !
oops, yes sorry hun!!

Oh go on let her Claire, it really doesn't happen often that Becky gets to brag about super sleeps LOL  Eh Becks   

x.

[C&B&E]

No, I never begrudge a fellow mummy a good nights sleep! X