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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #195 on: December 09, 2012, 18:24:54 pm »
(((Hugs))) on phone and BFing so brief but have you tries a really short A like 4hrs?





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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #196 on: December 09, 2012, 18:53:32 pm »
yes I think she has....
I 'think' Claire has been trying for 2 naps on the advice of Smurfette to get rid of the OT but it has been taking so long to get E down that it has been mainly 1 nap - is that right Claire?
Have you tried meds to see if it makes a difference at all?
I think that if she has been up since 4.30am she needs 2 naps but if she won't take them I am not sure what you can do.




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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #197 on: December 09, 2012, 19:07:57 pm »
I wish I'd've written down what we did this week  :-\

I had that one day where I gave her a really short A time (she was asleep at 3.5 hours) and she took a 2.25 hour nap which was great but it was so early and she refused a pm nap.  Then took ages to settle for 'SEBT' so did another v. long pm and a short night. 

Next day I tried short A time again and thought if I gave her a short am nap she would definitely take a pm one.  Nope.  20 mins in the morning (capped) and then refused a pm one!

Next day tried again for early nap and took til 11am to settle, then took a 40 min one and refused one later on.  Difficult to do a SEBT that night so another short night and EW.

The worst day was when I tried to settle her for 10.30am (I think) and it ended up being something like 1.45pm before she napped (got her up for 15 mins and gave her some lunch and tried again) and she then only took 30 mins. 

Dunno, just feel like *nothing* seems to make any difference.  I KNOW I'm supposed to be consistent, but when she is waking at such ridiculous times (and occasionally going back for an hour until 6.30) it is really hard to just 'push' her out as it clearly has been making things worse.  It is only really this week that I have risked rocking the boat and tried out a few different things. 

I 'think' Claire has been trying for 2 naps on the advice of Smurfette to get rid of the OT but it has been taking so long to get E down that it has been mainly 1 nap - is that right Claire?
Yep, and most days been only taking 20-30 minute ones  :o

Have medicated and she still short naps - but I do think she is cutting a tooth (we're only on the 3rd one here though so no nasty molars or anything!)
Claire x



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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #198 on: December 09, 2012, 19:12:17 pm »
some kids do have very low pain thresholds though....I know teeth messed up SO much with H.
I wish I could come up with something for you Claire, I so want to be able to help.
Does she AP at all? I was wondering about a car or buggy nap in the am and then a pm nap at home, not long term, just to re-set and I know you have Ben but on days he is at pre school?




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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #199 on: December 09, 2012, 20:44:50 pm »
Claire Honey, when you're chopping and changing every day it is often impossible to see what does and doesn't suit. Honestly Hun, IIWM I would formulate a plan and push her through it. If following her lead was doing some good I wouldn't say this, but it doesn't seem to be. There is no doubt it is an extreme situation and she must be shattered and you at the end of your rope entirely I should imagine. I remember how not having a set plan was the most stressful thing of all for me, all that guess work is exhausting  :'(

IIWM I would go with a set A time of 4.5 or 5 if possible to start with. You can't plan past that at the moment IMHO because you have to see what happens to decide on BT.

I totally understand if you can't see yourself being able to follow through with this and that it's easier said than done  ;) But, all be it for a shorter time, from a BTDT point of view I think it's worth a try.

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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #200 on: December 09, 2012, 22:49:38 pm »
Claire Honey, when you're chopping and changing every day it is often impossible to see what does and doesn't suit. Honestly Hun, IIWM I would formulate a plan and push her through it. If following her lead was doing some good I wouldn't say this, but it doesn't seem to be.


THIS ^^^ !!
You absolutely have to stick with the same thing for 5-6 days consistently before you can make a judgement call. You will never see changes/improvements if you don't. Make a plan, mark it on the calendar and follow through.

OT is cumulative and takes a long, long, LONG time to clear out of the system. And then it takes even longer to get on the plus side of things.

 Night time sleep usually comes together first and then naps start to get fixed, however naps are notorious for taking 3-4 weeks to fix so consistency is extrememly important. Everytime you try something different, it sets you back another day.

In addition to that, when LOs are OT, they often take a long time to fall asleep-this is very common and very normal. It doesn't mean that they aren't tired, just the opposite. So you have to keep trying over and over, day in and day out with the early bedtimes.

Just as an example- my 26 month old needs several DAYS of good naps AND night sleep to recover from just one crappy nap. Yes she is sensitive to OT, but it just shows you how long it can take for OT to be overcome.

You never mentioned what times the 2 naps were happening at so I'm not sure how to troubleshoot that for you, but
I still think trying 2 naps is worth it, but only if you can aim for her to be *asleep* somewhere between 8:15 (on the days that you have EWs) and 9am for the 1st nap and then sometime around 12:30/1pm for the afternoon nap and then bedtime (asleep) about 3-4 hours after that-depending on the quality and duration of the naps.
If this is too hard or doesn't fit your routine, etc, then go to one nap and try to get it starting at 12pm within a week. Then be prepared to keep bedtime at around 5 (but again base it on the quality and duration of the nap) for about a month until she has made the transition.

With whatever option you choose, you also need to start leaving her when she short naps. If you can't stay out of the room, then go in but remain silent, don't take her out of her bed and don't turn any lights on. She needs to get used to laying there for longer periods of time, but when they're OT they just snap awake at that 30 minute mark.
The quickest way for her to return to sleep would be for you to leave her alone and not go into the room (and again, this likely won't happen the first time you try it, so you have to stick to it for several days) because our presence stimulates them and then they try to engage us, but if you need to in, then it's imperative that you don't start engaging her. Just sit there quietly. She needs to learn how to go back to sleep even when OT.
If you don't go back into the room, give her until the hour mark to see if she'll go back to sleep. If you go in, then I would give her to the hour and half mark.

I have BTDT and I totally understand what you're going through. It's so hard to make sense of things when you're completely frustrated and exhausted.

HUGE hugs to you.

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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #201 on: December 10, 2012, 07:11:24 am »
I 'think' claire has been trying for consistency though i.e. with an early nap as was suggested but E is not going down so then what does she do?




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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #202 on: December 10, 2012, 08:29:45 am »
This is my understanding too - that Claire has been trying to do two naps for a week, but getting 1 x 20 mins nap and refusal to settle for a second.





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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #203 on: December 10, 2012, 11:44:38 am »
Yep that's what I've been trying for.  It sounds more inconsistent because she takes so long to settle or refuses naps and I'm trying to work with that.  I'm also doing my best with ev while I've also got Ben who still needs putting down for a nap (got a cold) and sometimes just needs his mummy :)
 
dh is going to change his hours this week so that he can come home at 4.45pm so we can get ev in bed at 5 every night. She is so much like Ben and the only way we've ever been able to sort him out is with stupidly early nights

I'm going back to one nap now I know I'll be able to get her in bed for 5, as trying for two naps is just unrealistic for any longer as my mental health is suffering.
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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #204 on: December 10, 2012, 12:49:31 pm »
sounds like a good plan Claire. If 5pm BT's work then that may be the only way to deal with the OT xx




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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #205 on: December 10, 2012, 16:15:46 pm »
as trying for two naps is just unrealistic for any longer as my mental health is suffering

Totally understand! Sorry-wasn't sure if/when you were doing 2 naps. If they're causing too much stress then sounds like 1 nap is the way to go. That's great that you will be able to do EBTs too. Hang in there momma. :)

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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #206 on: December 10, 2012, 21:10:06 pm »
Sorry Claire, I guess I wasn't following well enough there Hun. What a terribly hard time for you. Keeping everything X'd that something changes and soon.

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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #207 on: December 10, 2012, 21:33:10 pm »
Sorry Claire, I guess I wasn't following well enough there Hun.

don't be daft  ;).  Just appreciate that you ladies, who I've never even met, are helping me out   :-*
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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #208 on: December 11, 2012, 13:01:18 pm »
so what is your plan today? How is it going dare I ask? We seem to have a 30 min nap for our big (ha ha) nap of the day.




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Re: 15 mo, never sttn *what is this cry??*
« Reply #209 on: December 11, 2012, 13:05:41 pm »
I know that Audrey's OT isn't even in the same realm, but she's getting OT when at the child-minder, and then we get hours of screaming at night, and on 'catch up days' we're doing 4-4.5 (MAX) A time, then a nap, then 4-4.5hrs A time to bed. Again, she's not near as OT as E, but the short A times seem to be working well.