15 mo, never sttn *update-she did it!!*

[Truly Blessed]

Honestly, if she's settling better without you, then I would just stay out if it happens again. Listen to what she's telling you and go with your gut. If everytime you say anything to her, it winds her up, then why say anything?
That's not CIO, that's giving your child what she needs-the space to fall asleep.
Yes, she wants cuddles, but she also really needs sleep and it's in her best interest to sleep, not get more cuddles and therefore stay up longer, you know? Think about it later when she is crying for a cookie and wants it for breakfast- you wouldn't give it to her because it's not healthy for her, regardless of how much she cried for it. At this point, I see it the same way in this scenario- it's not healthy for her to be overtired.
She's not a newborn and it's not like you haven't tended to her needs. You have been there for her the whole time. You've been awesome and patient and so dedicated!! If the crying was escalating, then yes I would go back in, but if you say she settles faster without you, then I would give her that opportunity.
((hugs))

WOW! I wish I could have said it like this ^, what a wonderful way with words you have Smurette, I absolutely agree.

She settled tonight with NO crying - the first time I remember in her little life!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Claire, I can imagine how that made you feel, that's awesome, it's kinda like winning the lottery isn't it, but without the holiday and new mansion 

x.

[anna*]

The more I leave her to it the quicker she settles - but that feels more like CIO

Honestly, if she's settling better without you, then I would just stay out if it happens again. Listen to what she's telling you and go with your gut. If everytime you say anything to her, it winds her up, then why say anything?
That's not CIO, that's giving your child what she needs-the space to fall asleep.
Yes, she wants cuddles, but she also really needs sleep and it's in her best interest to sleep, not get more cuddles and therefore stay up longer, you know? Think about it later when she is crying for a cookie and wants it for breakfast- you wouldn't give it to her because it's not healthy for her, regardless of how much she cried for it. At this point, I see it the same way in this scenario- it's not healthy for her to be overtired.
She's not a newborn and it's not like you haven't tended to her needs. You have been there for her the whole time. You've been awesome and patient and so dedicated!! If the crying was escalating, then yes I would go back in, but if you say she settles faster without you, then I would give her that opportunity.
((hugs))

Yep, this is Audrey exactly. Hate leaving her but can't bear to make her more upset by responding. And when she really DOES need us, we know - something in her cry changes. Last night she had a nightmare I think, the crying just sounded different so I ran in, gave cuddles, and she was back to sleep within a couple of minutes.

[katie80]

Awesome, Claire!  So happy to read another great update from you!

[C&B&E]

Things here are an absolute nightmare again  . Really do not know what to do this has been going on for so long it just feels out of any realm of 'normal'. We've been up for almost two hours again tonight, she is screaming at bedtime, screaming in the night, taking shirt naps and waking at 4.50am-5am. I am shaking i am so angry with her.  Why is she doing this?? I am planning on taking her to the doctos this week to ask about a sleep clinic appointment as we are so thoroughly at our wits end. 

[becj86]

Sorry to read your update, Claire.

I have little to offer other than hugs, but you can have as many hugs and sleepy vibes as you need xx

I take it there was nothing different when she slept better than now?

[katie80]

Oh Claire, I'm so sorry. Saying a quick prayer for you all before I turn out my light. Lots and lots of (((hugs))), you've been so amazingly patient through all of this. I can't imagine how frustrating and defeating it feels.

[*Becky*]

Def go back to the Dr, just does not seem normal like you say.You need some support and someone to look into everything medically IMO. Hugs Claire xx

[kayra]

so sorry Claire hugs and prayers coming your way!!

[anna*]

(((((many hugs))))) Claire please keep us updated on what the Dr says.

[Buntybear]

Were going to up her reflux dose slightly (she has room for an increase as she's gained weight), and I'm going to cut hidden dairy again as she's mspi but I had been a bit more relaxed recently with my diet (still bf her).

How are you doing with this? Olly had an extremely restricted diet and was very fussy but he was on oat milk by 14 months. I would get her reflux dose checked by the doc and cut every bit if milk and soy out of both diets. Could you get a referral to a dietician to go over her diet? Ours also prescribed calcium supplements if you are worried about that. Xxx

[*Becky*]

have you got an appt claire?

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs Claire. I'm so sorry things are so tough again. Especially when you get a few good nights. I shatters your confidence

[C&B&E]

You lot are lovely, thank you.

she settled fine tonight, I just don't get it ! She is so ridiculously strong willed and vocal during the day that I really do wonder if this just manifests as these screaming bt's/nw's, where perhaps other children would just go back to sleep once they realised they weren't going to get what they want  . 

I will try the doctors next week and see if we can get a referral to a sleep clinic. The doctors can't see anything wrong with her physically, and the paed g.i. just always brushes me off when I ask whether something else could be causing her nw's.

Agh, she's woken screaming now

[katie80]

the paed g.i. just always brushes me off when I ask whether something else could be causing her nw's.

Grrr... that's pretty annoying!   Is he not even willing to look into anything else?

[babybarr]

I will try the doctors next week and see if we can get a referral to a sleep clinic. The doctors can't see anything wrong with her physically, and the paed g.i. just always brushes me off when I ask whether something else could be causing her nw's.

Let me know if you need any help or advice

((((((hugs))))) I've been following but fairly silently.  Does she sleep better with calpol?  Sorry if that's been tried.  We're trying that with O atm.