Ugh, what a mess! EW, short naps with 15mo old after time change.

[katie80]

Unfortunately, it was just the one day. We've been back to 5:45, 5:30, and today 5am (which I know was OT, because I didn't get him down in time last night). Grrr... this is just not going well.  I def need to get rid of that early morning BF, because he's not going back to sleep after it and by the time he's done it's too late to even try.  We're going away for the weekend, but next week I think we'll be done altogether.  He's biting me hard at least once a day and Claire is asking for me to do BT with her, but since they're both going to bed early, I can't because I need to BF G first.  I'm pretty sure part of the problem is that I don't have much milk left anyway. So... it's just time.  Will put DH on duty for a weeks worth of BTs and might have him try the EW too, but I don't expect that to last long.  I have much more stamina.

Also, I need to start transitioning G to one nap ASAP.  Claire is having to switch to the afternoon preschool class (I'm *not* happy about this, but it's a long story), so will be going from 12-2:30 (what bad timing, huh?).  My mom is willing to help for some time, but I just can't ask for something three days a week.  If I can get him to one nap, DH could come home for lunch and bring Claire and then we'd be able to go pick her up (that is, until DH starts travelling for work in Jan ).  Ugh, my head is spinning already.  One step at a time.

[becj86]

It does seem to be the perfect storm Sorry things are getting tricky.

[*Becky*]

pre school is a nightmare with naps - I feel your pain!!!
Holding your hand xx

[katie80]

5am again. Boo!

[*Becky*]

FWIW I agree about getting rid of the am feed at this point xx

[katie80]

Yes, will give that a try for a week or so and if still not better start tweaking away. . Can't believe we still have it, tbh, I've meant to ditch it so many times, but always had a 'reason' not to.  There's no reason now really, but I am a bit nervous because I tried at 1yr when he just starting to get his molars and it didn't go well.  He's been teething ever since and the darn bottom eye teeth are so close to coming through.  Oh well, it's not working anyway, so no time like the present.

[katie80]

Ok, well we may be closer to one nap than I thought.  One day last week when he woke at 5, I could only get a 20min CN in before he had a haircut and he slept for 2hr15min at 12:15.  He then did almost a 12hr night (with a quick NF/resettle of course ).  So, tonight's the night... DH will be doing BT and we'll settle without a feed in the early hours and go from there.  His bottom eye teeth are cutting now, so I'm expecting it to be a little ugly, but we just can't wait it out anymore. 

While he continues to EW, should I cut the am nap down to 20min and try the pm nap closer to noon, or stay with the 30 min am and longer pm?

[Truly Blessed]

Run down of what's going on right now Hun  just in case I can be of any help. Sorry to ask for a recap I have a mashed up head right now 

x.

[katie80]

Sorry to ask for a recap I have a mashed up head right now 

No worries, I wondered if I should just start a new thread as I think the issue isn't the clock change anymore.  Let me know if you girls want to be done with this one.

So... G is typically waking between 5-6am, doing a 30min CN and longer pm nap (1.5-2hr).  I've been feeding in the wee hours as before the time change, this would always get him back to sleep and he's been teething molars and canines for 4mo now, so I haven't had the guts to stop.   But, it's not working anymore, so we're getting rid of it.  I also think that he's at the point where he's not really able to catch up from the EW, because he's having enough sleep spread out during the day to not really 'need' to sleep longer in the morning.  I mean, he needs it because he's tired, but I think we might be in that old UT/OT loop.   So, I'm wondering if I should cut the CN to 20min in the morning and do a longer nap just 2.5hr later to try to mimic a one-nap day as much as possible while he continues to EW because of the habitual NF we're trying to get rid of.  Or, should I just stick with the 30min CN, longer nap and see if the EW resolves on it's own without the feed?  Does that even make sense?   Because of C's preschool change, I'm eager to get him onto one nap as quick as I can.

[Truly Blessed]

Hiya Hun, yes it makes sense, I'm with you. What is his overall sleep ATM  How long are his nights before he EW  I'm just thinking if they're on the short side W2S might be worth a shot to try and shift WU  Sorry, I did register that you said you think he's having enough sleep, just thought it was worth asking.

Big (HUG)

x.

[*Becky*]

I would def cap to 20 min now Katie - that is what we did xx

[Truly Blessed]

Yes, meant to say, I agree cutting down the 1st nap until it's gone may be the way to go if all else fails.x.

[katie80]

Thanks, ladies.  Unfortunately, I couldn't cap at 20min today as DH couldn't help with the preschool run and I didn't want G to fall asleep on the way home, because I'm not sure he would transfer.  What a pain!   So, will cut down to 20 either tomorrow or for sure Thurs when preschool is over for the week. 

Vicki, typically the EW is happening after 9.5-10hr sleep.  Last night he was asleep for 6:30pm, woke and resettled within 20min at 4:00am and then woke for good at 5:30am.  I don't know if the EW is from his habitual BF (I didn't feed last night, just went in like a regular NW) or the canines cutting.  I'm sure with two naps though and a total of 2-2.25hr day sleep, I can't expect more than an 11hr night, so 5:30 has to be acceptable.  I just want it to get later, so we can transition to one nap.  Hopefully, he'll pull a few longer nights if I do the 20min CN, so we get closer.  Does that sound reasonable?

[*Becky*]

it def helped us to a certain extent and then we got to the point where M was waking around 5.30/45am anyway and I just had to go for it with an 11 am nap as I could have waited forever for a later wake up. xx

[Truly Blessed]

I think W2S is worth a shot Hun.x.