Ugh, what a mess! EW, short naps with 15mo old after time change.

[*Becky*]

how's it going katie?

[katie80]

Thanks for asking, Becky.  I'm not keeping up with things very well, atm.

it def helped us to a certain extent and then we got to the point where M was waking around 5.30/45am anyway and I just had to go for it with an 11 am nap as I could have waited forever for a later wake up. xx

Really good point, thanks. I'll keep that in mind.  I'm such a scaredy cat, I suppose because C never took long naps, that starting a nap at 11 seems a bit daunting, but the way things are going, I feel like we're never going to get that later wake up either.

I think W2S is worth a shot Hun.x.

So, when would you do it?  10hr seems to be the most frequent wake, but it could be anything from 9-11.

Ok, yesterday I had the chance to do a 20min am nap.  Here's what the day looked like...

W 5:35 (but was on and off from 4:50 )
CN 9:20-9:40 am
Nap 12:00-1:45 pm
BT 6 pm

Today, he woke at 5am.   So, 11hr straight which is great, but 5am really stinks.  I tried to get him to go back and he did lie down and try and might have slept a bit, but I got him up at 5:40, because he was getting loud (although it didn't matter because C had already woken, grrr ).

Today...

W 5:00 am (tried to go back til 5:40)
CN 9:10-9:40 am
Nap 12:30-1:45 pm (he tried really hard to go back to sleep and was quite restless, but that was it; strange, because we always get 1.5-2hr after a 30min CN)
BT will go for 6pm again, I guess

What do you girls think?  I feel like I'm losing the plot and nothing is working and I can't see my way out.

[becj86]

Katie, TBH knowing what I do now, I'd do a set nap and a set BT and leave it for a week or two, then look at tweaking. I don't think you can chop your catnap much further and I'm not sure it is buying you *that* much more time in the day, yk? Obviously your call, knowing G and your family best but I wish I'd done it earlier. I was trying to keep A times 'right' and ending up all over the place depending on nap length.

As a one-night option to see if you can get him a longer night if you think he's really really OT, do a one-nap day and super EBT and cross fingers he wakes after 10hr and you can get him back down (likely because he's used to sleeping at that early hour).

[*Becky*]

I agree. If I were you now I would do a 1 nap day and EBT. The 2 naps do not seem to be helping and at least his day will be shorter and so fingers crossed a longer night sleep. It feels scary but it has worked for us recently.

[katie80]

Ok, so what times would you shoot for with a 5-5:30am wake? 11am nap, then...   How do you do EBT with an EW? I don't know how much earlier than 6 I can go.   This makes my stomach churn.

I have to stick with two at least through the weekend, because we've got commitments that we need to keep, but can start trying on Monday.

[*Becky*]

I did 11am when M was waking at 5.45am ish but she had been awake on and off since 5am....she slept 1.15 and I put her to bed for 6pm and we actually got a great night (probably out of exhaustion!)
I just feel if the 2 are not working then he needs something to almost 're-set'
You don't have to see it as 1 nap from then on, IMO some just cannot cope with that.

If you really don't want to do it and I know that stomach churn feeling then could you do W2S??

[Truly Blessed]

Katie, with Sam he was waking at 5.00 he was napping 10.00 to 11.00/12.30 max at first (he was 12 months though) so I had no choice to to 5 pm BT, which was already 6 hours A time. But then he started to tack so we were able to move forward after a few days. It is scary but as nothing else was working we had no choice anyway. Just wanted to say that if he can't make it longer it is still possible to get through it, but you have to be a brave bunny and shoot for BT as early as necessary 

x.

[katie80]

Ok, thanks ladies.  I'm not a brave bunny very often, Vicki.

Yesterday, he did...

W 5:15 am (after resettling at 4:30)
CN 9:15-9:35 am
Nap 12:00-2:15 pm (I woke him)
BT 6:30 pm (DH put down and he usually falls asleep right away, but when I cam out from Claire's room at 6:45 I did see him roll around a couple times, so not sure if he was sleeping and just moving or still settling)

This morning he woke at 5:45 (after resettling at 3:30am).  So, that was progress for me.  I think I'm going to stick with a 9:15ish CN, 12pm nap, and 6:30-7pm BT (barring any disasters) for a week or two first, because I'm just not mentally prepared to start putting him down at 11am and sitting on pins and needles just hoping he makes it more than 1.10.  If things are still where they are in 2 weeks, then I'll go for one nap. 

I don't mean to be discarding your advice, I really appreciate it, I'm just not quite there yet.

[*Becky*]

no worries, I totally get it...we have been struggling on 1 nap for the last 3 weeks and I do sit stressing every nap time!! Hope it works out xx

[katie80]

(((Hugs))), Becky!

I felt like I did that so long with Claire and I'm just not ready to go back there. I get short and snappy and really need to be ready to make a change so that I can handle it better, because it doesn't do anybody any good. Easier said than done, though. You'd think I'd have learned to relax a bit about it now.

[becj86]

No worries I did the jump to one nap too early and paid for it, I understand the hesitation


Hugs xx

[*Becky*]

how is it going katie? I am assuming things have improved seeing as no recent posts...that or you are really busy!! xx

[katie80]

Becky, I can't believe you went back and found this! Thanks for thinking of us...

Things are going much better. We made the jump to one nap two weeks ago and have had a couple two nap days thrown in there. He's doing between 1:30-2:15 for a nap, with the most common being 1:45ish. Nights are anywhere from 11.5-12.5hr. He's had a cold, so I'm not sure what his real needs are.

This morning I found it funny how 'knowing too much' can cloud my judgement sometimes. Yesterday he slept 1:50 and I was planning on putting him down at 6:30 for a 12hr day. I was out running the last of Christmas errands and came home to find he had been asleep since 6:10. DH said he was just losing it. I thought for sure we'd have a pre-six wakeup this morning, but he slept til 6:45am. I was shocked. Claire never slept more when she was sick.

Anyway, that's probably much more than you bargained for. Although those 5 weeks after the time change were not fun, the 2-1 has gone much better this time around (I'm sure we'll hit another bump in the next few months, though). Now if I can only hope for the same for the 1-0. We're still struggling with not enough sleep for Claire. Oh well, can't have it all!

[*Becky*]

good news
Get G to have a word with M!
xxx

[katie80]

LOL, only if we can chat over coffee while they figure it out. Still the same with you all?