Ideas for 'cooked dairy' dinners!

[Buntybear]

We are introducing dairy into Ollys diet to test an intolerance. We need him to eat dairy that has been cooked for 30 mins at least.

He is fussy anyway and so having trouble getting him to eat anything. Have tried cauliflower cheese, cottage pie and bolognaise pasta bake with a cheese sauce over it.

He will eat some pasta dishes (tho doubt he would touch a white sauce as never had it), roast meats, sausages etc so things it is hard to hide dairy in.

Anyone got any ideas of what meals I could make him?

[Lolly]

Would he eat puddings like rice pudding or bread and butter pudding? Does he like cottage pie? If he does you could try chicken pieces in a white sauce with mash on top - I put peas and sweetcorn in it too for my kids.

Not sure what else to suggest!

Laura

[Papaya]

Quiche? Curry made with yoghurt or milk? (could send you some recipes if you like )

[Buntybear]

Rice pudding is the next stage! I am not sure he will eat it anyway though. Think I will by the Ambrosia pots next time I am at the shops.

Trouble is he really is not keen on proper meals ie wet dinners! He will eat curry and bolognaise but that took month.

He eats chicken but again I just know he won't if it had a white sauce. Prob not even if cooked in gravy. He likes chicken and gravy but won't eat them cooked together 

[Buntybear]

No wheat or eggs so not quiche. Dairy in curry is a good idea. Just need to cook it a bit longer than normal. Thanks!

[rach321]

toad in the hole ? I'm sure there is milk in the batter mix - might be a winner if he likes sausages!

[Buntybear]

Can't have batter as has eggs and wheat in x

[rach321]

Oh sorry - missed that bit!

[koe2moe]

even just simple tomato sauce for pasta, you can add ricotta cheese, yoghurt or just a dash of milk in if it is just for checking reaction.  Mushroom sauce with chicken?  White sauce basically but with sauteed mushrooms and onions, then add flour and last stir in milk.  good luck with it!!   or cheese cake?

[Mashi]

Dauphinoise potatoes? Just use cream instead of making a white sauce for it.

[abbysmomma]

A rose sauce for the pasta (red and white mixed together)?  Gf pizza with baked cheese? Grilled cheese with gf bread? Cream soup? We have egg wheat dairy allergies as well, and i can't wait for him to outgrow something. I'm sure i have more ideas...

[Lemonthyme]

Oh I had a creamy tomato sauce with Italian sausage in it in a restaurant the other day both me and my son loved it (we shared).

What about 'mac and cheese' (use gluten free pasta) but mixed with some veg:
http://mamacook.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/mac-and-cheese-with-vegetables-for.html
White sauces in pasta bakes I think are less 'challenging' than having them as is over a bowl of pasta.

Veggie lasagne (again GF pasta)
http://mamacook.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/vegetarian-lasagne-for-whole-family.html

This cake has half a pint of milk in it and can be made gluten free by using different flour:
http://mamacook.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/no-added-sugar-date-loaf.html

I'm starting to realise just how many of my recipes contain eggs and wheat!

Quick question though, why does the milk have to be cooked for 30 mins?

[Papaya]

Oh, I had another idea the other day too - tandoori chicken or similar. Basically chicken marinated in yoghurt and spices, and cooked in the oven (I do it for about 40 mins). It's just like spicy roast chicken, but I imagine you could do it with any mild spices you like.

[Lemonthyme]

Of course!  Duh!  I even have some chicken tikka and tandoori chicken recipes on my blog!

http://mamacook.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/easy-chicken-tikka-for-babies-and.html
http://mamacook.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/tandoori-chicken-for-whole-family.html

[Buntybear]

Quick question though, why does the milk have to be cooked for 30 mins?

It is part of a staged process to introducing dairy.

Stage 1 - hidden dairy
Stage 2 - cooked for 30 mins
Stage 3 - cheese on toast etc
etc
etc

Thanks for the ideas girls!

[Lemonthyme]

I was just curious as to why.  Is it to denature the proteins?  There's no food safety reasons I can think of for cooking it for 30 minutes which was why I was asking but I don't know as much about food allergy.  Who has recommended this and what was their reasoning?  Just thinking if we could work that out there might be less onerous rules you could follow.  Is it milk protein or lactose that you are concerned about?

[Buntybear]

It is from the NHS and it is for a food allergy that he has now tested negative to . I am not sure what happens to milk when it is cooked that long but I do think somehitng happens to the proteins. ie when some people cannot drink cold milk can can have other dairy products

[abbysmomma]

There are some proteins in dairy (and eggs) that become denatured and no longer "reactive" once cooked for a certain amount of time. Kids that become used to cooked dairy have a greater chance of growing out of their allergies and eating cooked dairy is a part of the protocol for reintroducing an allergen. It doesn't always work that way for all allergens.

[Buntybear]

Thanks for sharing - I didn't know that 

[Lemonthyme]

Cool that was kind of my gut feel.  I work in the food industry and I know that certain foods increase allergenicity on cooking, some reduce so I didn't want to assume.  Thank you for increasing my knowledge!

Basically how denaturing proteins work is they are complicated structures and it is the shape which will cause the allergenicity I think.  Denaturing them breaks the weak bonds (hydrogen bonds and other types) and untangles them making the structure completely different.  Yep that makes sense to me!  I like to understand stuff!

[Buntybear]

You learn something every day eh?

[Lemonthyme]

Absolutely!  It's useful stuff to read about here with allergies.  Obviously I consult 'official' sources of information but so much about food safety is about what people really do in the home and places like this give me a bit of a window on that.  I remember saying to one company "I saw your bread recommended on an allergy awareness website because it doesn't contain soy so people who have soy allergies deliberately chose your bread, that's why it's so important to make sure cross contamination doesn't happen".

[abbysmomma]

Having both two out of three kids with food allergies and a PhD in protein biochemistry makes it easier for me. You're right on about heating breaking down the 3d structure of the protein and the antigen recognizing the structure. Bonus points for the mention of H-bonds! 

[Lemonthyme]

Do I get kudos if I mention van der waals forces too?  ;-)

I have a PhD in chemistry but nothing to do with proteins.

[Buntybear]

abbysmomma - I have a thread going in Food Allergies about introducing proteins and it has made me think - you may be able to answer this - by introducing milk proteins such as hidden dairy then cooked dairy, then heated and finally cold - does that make the body more readily accept the proteins by doing it in that order?

[*Ali*]

I also make a lovely chicken breast with a paste of yogurt and wholegrain mustard on the top and then cooked in the oven for 30 mins. Yummy.

[Buntybear]

Ohhh, sounds good Ali. Just those 2 things in the topping? Think I can manage that!

[*Ali*]

Yes just those two things. I think the recipe called for 5tblspns of yogurt or fromage frais and 1 teaspoon of mustard but we put double mustard as we love it.