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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2012, 22:47:19 pm »
That sounds about right to me Hun. DS has always been average sleep needs and was doing 13 hours in 24 at his age. I hope you manage to get him back on track soon, and that he is at least a happy bunny for Santa coming  ;D

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2012, 18:06:10 pm »
Hope u had a good xmas!  :)
 I have a question about doing the set nap time/ A time.  So with nap at 11 or 5.15 after wt i have been doing bt at 12hr after wt but still getting ew so then the cycle begins of just keep getting up earlier.  I know to get out of OT, ebt is needed which usually gives us more night sleep but still is earlier wake up than the day before, does that make sense? So do i just keep a set bt too?  so for example day 1 is wt at 6:30 (with nw) then 1.20nap then bt at 6pm so then day 2 is wt at 5:30 then 1.2 nap then bt at 5 just gives me 4:30wt but if i do 6bt then wt is still 4:30 or 5.  How do i get out of this??? It seems to get a 12 hour night he needs to  have a 11hr day total with nap included but it just becomes a cycle of wt earlier and earlier.  So when keeping an ebt to get rid of OT i know takes a few days but do i keep the bt same everynight and then hopefully he will begin to "sleep in"? 
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2012, 23:20:23 pm »
Hi Hun, sorry just to be sure I understand you correctly can you please post like this:

WU (wake up time)

Nap (Nap time and length)

BT (Bed time)

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2012, 02:01:08 am »
Sure, so what is going on is that there seems to be no pattern, days where he has the same amount of night sleep and then nap time is same too and bt is same the amount he sleeps the night after still vary, which is what is driving me nuts cause then i don't know what he needs.  Here is what is going on for the last few days
wt 6:25
n 11:56-1:16 (i am still doing the shush pat at the 30min mark)
bt 6:32   (nw 7:30/ 5:05/5:20 where i then got him and then he ended up sleeping in my bed til....

wt 6:30
n  11:49-1:01
bt 6:15 ( put him down early cause with all nw i thought he is ot, but nw at 6:50/11/4/5:50-6:30)  Maybe UT??

wt 7
n  12:22-2:05
bt 7 (4:45/5)

today
wt 5:57
n 11:18-1:08
bt  thinking 6:30??

There has been days where nap has been about 1.2 and have put him down 12hr after wt and then he has slept 12hr but as you see in these other days he has nw and only get 11hr.  So confused, sigh
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2012, 02:13:37 am »
sorry also one more question, after doing a set nap time does also having a set bt work during this transition? Would there body adjust or just get OT??  I just feel like everyday is SO different and thats why wt are so different. 
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2012, 13:13:03 pm »
Hi Hun, thanks that's really helpful. Okay, so it looks to me like you have long term accumulated OT working alongside short term UT (for the day in question) Once you realise that the 2 often go together it makes it a lot easier, to figure out what's going on. I think he may be getting caught in an OT/UT loop too.

Are you aiming for a set A time or 5.5 hours  ???

IIWM I would think about doing 5.5 to nap but shooting for a 12.5 hour day minimum (ie if the nap is 2 hours a 13 hour day, but shorter a 12.5 hour day) The early NW are often OT but it seems to me that he needs a longer day to sleep through, I hope  ;)

It is frustrating when every day is different Hun. There are 2 ways to approach it. Set A times to nap and BT (or flexible BT) or set nap/BT. For us set A times have always worked and it leads to set WU and nap times once OT is eliminated. Set nap/BT can be harder for a LO to cope with, as you often need to push them through OT, so it usually takes longer to work, but it can also work well allowing LO to reset their clock.  It really is a matter of preference to be honest, or for some people a matter of fitting LO sleeps around the rest of the family and work commitments.

Hope this makes sense, any thoughts  ???

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2012, 18:35:41 pm »
I know what you mean about the crazy loop , just trying to get OUT! 
I think your right about having a longer day to sleep through, cause yesterday he had his nap of 1.4hr and i put him to bed at 6:45, which was 12.45hr after wake up and took a while to settle down, so he slept at 6:53 and had a shout out at 5:30am but then slept til 6am!  so then i just brought him to our bed thinking he is up for the day and he fell asleep on me before i got him to our bed and slept til 6:42am.  I am just a little worried about tonight because it seems on days he gets 12hr of sleep a night he has a short nap and then a bad night with many nw.  So i also feel at a loss as to what time to put him down for bed cause his nap was short but his total sleep with night is same. Making sense??
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2012, 20:12:58 pm »
Yes, it does make sense. This is where waking him at a consistent time in the morning will pay off, if/when you possibly can, otherwise every day is different and the OT/UT loop goes on. Hope he settled well tonight.x.
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2012, 03:05:29 am »
ok so this is the loop i am always in. So that other night was good like i posted, but i knew that the next night wasn't but don't know how to fix it. 
So from the last post where he slept 11hr straight then in my bed for another 45min so good, so next day went like this
wt 6:42
n 12:09-1:19
bt 7:01 (made it 30min earlier from the night before, that is 30min less from total wake time, since nap was shorter by 30min but woke at 5:05/5:20/ then just rocked him)

wt 6:40 (woke him, like u suggested, which makes sense)
n 12:04-1:19
bt 6:33 (put him down earlier since i think yesterday's 5am wake was from OT)

This is so confusing because the day where he then had a good night he had the longest nap but the night sleep before was the least amount out of these other two days and he was up the longest, almost did a 13hr day.  Should i have kept him up later than 7:01?? 
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2012, 09:33:13 am »
Hiya, for us the rule of thumb is shorter nap shorter day. IIWM if he naps less than 1.5 hours I would keep his day at 12.5 hours maximum, that is the time counted from when he wakes to when he goes to bed, so that includes the time he is napping. On  a longer than 1.5 nap day you could go with a 13 hour day.

So if you're waking him at 6.40 at the moment the day would look like this:

WU 6.40

Nap 12.10 to......

BT 7.10 or 7.40 depending on nap length. How does that sound  ??? Longer day, shorter night should hopefully encourage longer nap which will get you where you want to be quicker.......in an ideal world  ;)

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2012, 16:35:06 pm »
ok so last night was BAD.  he had about 5 nw and then i was so tired i brought him to bed with me and then i woke him at 7am, i would of done earlier but i was sleeping too. so you think all the nw were because i put him to bed early? about 12hr after waking, but his nap was so short 1hr 10 min.  the day before his nap was 1.10hr so i put him down at 12.2hr and he had a nw after 10 hours.  Will this just eventually change ?? I know it takes time.
Today i'll do a 12.5hr day if he sleeps less than 1.5hr.  Thank you. Why does this have to be so difficult!?
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2012, 17:56:44 pm »
Hi Hun, good question  ;) IME once you follow a routine consistently for a while you will be able to see better what his needs are and what works for him. Sometimes things need tweaking but what I have given you is a guide that has worked for other LO's of the same age, so hopefully you won't be too far away. Do you think he is low/high or average sleep needs from his history  ???

My gut instinct is that even though he has accumulated OT he is may be UT for the day. What do you mean when you say he napped 12.2  ??? 12 hours 20 mins I'm guessing  ???

Good Luck, hope his nap was decent today  :)

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2012, 20:33:33 pm »
I understand about the routine, will follow , hopefully in a few weeks he can adjust.  But i have one question about the wake up time.  I can easily wake him at 6:40am but if he gets up early should i get him to fall back asleep? In the mornings if he wakes early, i put him back down and he fusses for 5min then sleeps for another 10min then wakes and will not go back to sleep for another 30 or 40min later. Should i just let that happen or try to get him to sleep til 6:40am any way i can or just start the day?

And yes my 12.2 means 12hr 20 min. Sorry
about his sleep needs, i don't know anymore.  He was doing 2 naps 30 min each for a long time since about 7 months old and i've been trying to figure things out since then, so i don't know.  But when he was smaller he napped good and was average sleep need. 
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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2012, 20:54:01 pm »
Hi, IIWM I would try and keep him in bed until 6.40. Even if he is awake the extra rest will help him and hopefully get him to the same time nap. Otherwise the consistency is going to be harder to achieve. Do you think this is possible  ???

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Re: How to approach 2-1 transition
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2012, 21:36:33 pm »
i can keep him in bed but he will be screaming and jumping up and down in his crib unless i rock him to sleep and then put him down . He only does this if its after 5am, during any nw he will just fuss and go back to sleep by himself. 
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