Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition? Thread #24

[jessmum46]

That's exactly what I found with the late CN Skadiver.  Basically it just made the day too long and J got less sleep overall than if I'd just gone for an EBT.  I think there comes a point where the CN does nothing to refresh them at all and causes more trouble than it's worth.  I think when we got to this point I pushed on with one nap as long as WU was reasonable, and when it fell apart a bit and we got an EW, did a short am nap at around 9/9.30 and then a second nap after lunch.  I won't lie, it wasn't a great couple of months sleep-wise (got molars at same time which didn't help matters) but it did right itself somewhere between 12-13 months. 

[Skadiver13]

Thanks, I have just had some people say he is too young for one nap so I  start to second guess my self. I guess if he does a 2 hr nap or more I'll stick with the one nap? He did a 2hr 20min nap today so woke at 12:50. Babysitter tried CN at 4:30 she said he just refused so we r doing a 6pm bt. Which isn't very early but all we could do today.

[Skadiver13]

So BT was 6 he slept till 5:10 he tried to fall backasleep so I left him, started to cry at 5:40 so I went in to try and rock him back to sleep, je screamed bloody murder, but I finally got him back down. I can't do that anymore though,so if he wakes that early ahgain tomorrow after an 11hr nifht what do I do?

[tweetie]

Skadiver I do not know but I am afraid nothing could be done.
I do not know what to do  with mine lady went back on two naps - yesterday two nice one - night - hysteria from 3-5 am, today one regular nap and pm CN - I am preparing mentally for night mess 

[jessmum46]

Skadiver if you get an early WU, do a CN around 9/9.30 for 20-30 mins, then a second nap around 3h later.  Might not be pretty but should get you to BT.

[Skadiver13]

Ok, as I'm sure you remember after helping me for so darn long, these EW's have been going on ohhhh since he was born.  Up until about a week ago I could rock him back to sleep, not it seems a bit impossible. He just screems and fights it, my nerves can't take it anymore. So this will be a new thing for me. You don't think I should just push through? Will that early CN just reinforce that EW?

[Lindsay27]

We had a lot of success with the early CN when we did it - he did 12hr nights with no EW.  Worth a try   If it doesn't work then at least you tried (I remember you making this statement with me and the super EBT LOL).

[Skadiver13]

LOL... touche.. Well we went with EBT again today as he was just not going to nap. So it was a pretty short day
W: 7:30
S: 11:45-1:30
S: 6 out like a light.

We'll see what tonight and teh AM brings. He's teething and constipated. Oh joy.

[Lindsay27]

I pushed A times this morning and still only got a 1.20hr nap...groan.  I need to go back to the am CN.  But in the meantime things are up in the air because B is sickly and has the most horrid cough, I was undressing him for his bath and he coughed so hard he threw up Poor peanut.  He's been in bed for about 1.5hrs and I can hear him coughing constantly over the monitor, so I'm expecting a rough night.  Next few days might be wonky nap-wise.

[Skadiver13]

Well fx for both of us.

[tweetie]

Lindsay - poor thing. We passed one cold with very bad coughing and now I am worried that this hysteria in the night is also maybe connected with ear infection (I did call paed but she said she doubt... I am not thrilled to take her there with bunch of sick kids to catch something).

Skadiver - good for you  . I remember you today morning DD was awake 5.30 am - I am not going to be ungrateful everything is better than NW. She did wake twice but it was pretty short after she burped  . We will see how this day will look like

[Jaxsta81]

gosh - good to know you are all in the same boat as me! As I'm typing this through my bleary eyes, I'm wondering if the NWs are just something I have to put up and shut up about. I'm beginning to think they're going to happen irregardless of how much or little daytime sleep he gets! Urgh - right best go - he's awake now and is doing that "I need you now now NOW" cry. Sheesh.

[tweetie]

O yesterday I started again sleep training. I was always for gradual removal plan (we did that in the past and came to the phase of holding hand and after all developmental mess and teething end up on rocking again) but realized I need to stop rocking because even rocking does not help and each time it takes longer and longer and my hands are in bad pain. So pm nap yesterday it took her 50 min - God I have never done this  she was screaming no matter how much I was cuddling her, kissing, sshhhh-ing, patting, holding (key word IN the crib),, EVERYTHING except rocking. Actually she never reacted in such a way (I know now she is much older). Then I picked her up (like I will do PU/PD - never worked for us and I know now is already late for that but still...) God then she was even more screaming and crying - it was always like that - she was sooo frustrated poor thing. She finally fell asleep holding me for the hand and I was  so exhausted stressed out, feeling guilty  . BT took the same time but without cry (we cuddled and did everything like for pm nap) and today am nap it took the same but also without crying. God I still have guilty feeling because of that cry  . I could never hear her crying... In addition to all things now I need to deal with guilty feeling - maybe motherhood is not for me 

P.S. sorry for my looong sentences and english I am far from native speaker 

[Skadiver13]

Hi Tweetie, you are doing just fine and i"m sure you are a GREAT mother.  We are all just tired and our nerves are frayed and that makes us just feel worse.I feel your pain but don't doubt yourself.  You might try posting over on the props board as well. I hoenslty think you might feel better if you t get the sleep training over with. Both of you may sleep better in the long run. It's ok for her to cry as you are not doing CIO, you are there for her and reassuring her. She's going to protest A LOT because she's not getting what she's used to. That is normal and ok.

Have you read the links about WIWO? Would that work better? I've found staying in with my LO actually makes things worse because wanted teh attention so even just being by the door made him cry, but if I do wiwo it usually works w/in a few days. Maybe worth a shot?

[Skadiver13]

Ok, so he woke around 4:30 put himself back to sleep around 5. He's coughing and congested so I think it's ether teething or allergies not sure. Don't think it's a cold but could be. He's definetely tired. He slept till 5:45, tried to apop back to sleep (no crying thank god) but he just couldn't, kept coughing.
So..
W: 5:45
Thinking of Sleep at 9:15-9:45? He's already yawning and it's 7:30.
Sleep: 12:15??