Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition? Thread #24

[Skadiver13]

He only did 1hr50min nap today though so EBT would be like 5:15 that is way too early. So we'll have to try for that CN today.  I get so irked with family when they don't stick to what I ask. even my husband will do it when I'm away. But I"m the one mopping up the pieces when I get home. So I feel your pain.

[tweetie]

Skadiver - definitely you are not alone - just we are on a different continent  .  Yesterday I cap am nap to 45 min (after A time 4.10 hr), pm nap was after 3.10 hr , then she slept for almost 2 hr and I woke her up  . I asked on the night waking board what to do (cut little more am nap or pm nap). The thing is - she needs to have 3.5 hr till BT otherwise God will not be able to put her in bed  . Of course that yesterday we passed 13 hr day - this is pretty regular lately - so I was rocking her and walking  for an hour  . When I put her in the crib she was standing and screaming like a crazy, when I was holding her and trying to sit like a human being  - again she was screaming  . Thanks God night was great, one waking for feeding and she WU at 6.20 am - I am afraid I will jinx it .
I have read that tantrums start around 10 month - in general looking at her behaviour in the last two weeks - pretty possible  .
Since she started to crawl, stand and now try to walk our wind down time before BT is gone  . She can not stop practicing until she is exhausted but no way she would calm down and sleep, she becomes overstimulated and nothing works except rocking  . So I am in trouble - it looks to me worse than when she was 4 months old and I was working on day naps and used to rocking...

edit: regarding the family - you need to be dragon  . I realized - they will always put comments or try to do different - sleep is priority and I do not give up on that part. I did have some "conversations" with DH  but he realized that he can not win in some things and in the other he sees that we are paying his stubbornness (lately he would put her in bed - he would say that is SO sweet, now it is not  sweet anymore and guess who needs to fix it  )

[eva026]

we've been on 1 nap for about a week now but I'm starting to suspect OT is coming on, what do you think?
Our last few days:
day 1: WU 7.30am, nap 12-2pm, BT 8.00pm
day 2: WU 8am, nap 12.30-3.00pm, BT 8pm
day 3: WU 6.45am, nap 11.30-1.30pm, BT 7.45pm
Today: UW 6.30am, nap 11.30-1.30pm,

Looks like her morning UW is moving earlier and earlier. Maybe a 20min CN today to catch up?

[jessmum46]

Does she tack on well?  For my LO I would have always gone for an EBT (6pm ish) as she would have made up far more sleep that way and woken later the next day, but if your LO doesn't tack well I would go for CN and later BT, hoping for later WU tomorrow.  If you can I would try and keep your days a bit shorter - I know lots of people advise a 13h day on a good nap, but my experience was that during the transition that was way too long.  I think the 13h day is more for LOs who are fully on one nap and consistently doing long naps, rather than for one off days during the transition.  Hope that helps!

[eva026]

Does she tack on well?

sometimes she does, sometimes she doesn't... I can't move BT forward more than 30min though because she will treat it as a nap ie wake 40min/1h later
That makes BT 7.30 the earliest. If she'd sleep 12h it would work out great but I never know if she will or not:/

Tried to get her to CN today but she flat out refused, then at 7pm we were rushing home to put her in PJs and asleep by 7.30 but she foiled our plans by falling asleep in the car for 5min and that was enough to keep her going till 8.30! We'll try for a CN and or EBT tomorrow again.

[eva026]

maybe you can help me decide if we are OT or UT again
Day 1 WU 8am, nap 12.30-2.45, BT 8pm
Day 2 WU 7am, nap 11.30-2.30, BT 8pm (although I think she took 20min to fall asleep)
Long NW at 2am crying then chatting till 3am
Day 3 WU 8am, nap 12.30-2.45, BT 8pm - ish
Long NW at 4am crying then chatting for who knows how long, but it felt ages
Day 4 (today) WU 8.30am, nap 12.30-3.00pm, will have BT at 8pm again

Looks like she is hanging out at night and then sleeping in. Any ideas about what to do?

[Skadiver13]

I am having the same issue, tues was
W: 6:30
S:11:0012:20
S:4:30-5
S:.7:15
Woke at 5:10 (10hrs after falling asleep) tried to get himself back to sleep took me 45 min to rock him, he was chatty etc. Also 5:45-7

Yesterday
W:7
S:11:25-1:50 2hrs 25 min
EBT of 6:30 got the same thing woke at 4:40 tried to get himself back to sleep, started crying at 5 so it too me 45 min to rock him back to sleep, went from hysterical crying to chstting.
No idea if its OT or UT

[Skadiver13]

Well I guess I'm alone on here but I'm going to post anyway. We're in the thick of it. He slept about 1hr20min yesterday after an A of 4hrs 40min. I didn't mean for his A to be that long but I put him down when I usually do (around A of 4hrs 20min usually takes about 10min to fall asleep) So at 4hrs 30min he was laughing and chatting rolling around still with no signs of sleep. So I went in to just reassert it was sleepy time and he ended up crying after I walked out. Not sure what that's about but regardless he woke up at 1hr24min, but when I went in he was crying and when I picked him up he seemed as if he still wanted to sleep so I rocked him back to sleep. Total nap of 2hrs. But by that time is was 1:45 no time for a short CN in the afternoon so I put down at 6:15 (A of 4.5hrs) thought that would be ok, but he pooped the little bugger after I put him down and so he didnt' end up getting to sleep till 6:30 still not too bad.  Woke at 4am just sat up and started chatting, but then starting crying. Back to sleep at 4:20 using shh/pat. Woke again at 5:10 but no crying so I left him to it. He started crying at 5:30. I went in and tried shh/pat but he just started laughing at me. I eneded up rocking him to sleep by 5:45-6:40. He woke up at 6:40 looked at me and started laughing. I couldn't help but laugh back but what a little devil he is.

I am guessing this is OT behavior?

[tweetie]

You are not alone  I am reading it but don't have a strength to write. This transition will kill me in addition to bunch of other things . She is waking up during night hysterically crying and I am rocking her for hours  . I really do not know what to do... I am posting on night wakings board.... I just can tell you I understand you completely but unfortunately can not help with any smart suggestion   

[jessmum46]

Skadiver I'm not reading regularly but I agree that your LOs behaviour sounds OT.  Have you tried a short am long pm routine?  Not for every day, but maybe when the OT is creeping in? 

[Skadiver13]

Thanks for responding just wasnt sure anyone else was doing the 2-1 at the moment. I honestly havent tried the short am nap because he's so very hard to apop. He will not sleep in the car, will not sleep in he stroller unless he's exhausted. This means I'd bhave to rock him for his am nap? Would this be a habbit he'd get into? I think the past 3 nights were a combo of OT and teething. Last night was much better. slept from 6:10pm-6:25m. His day was 6:40-11:10. Slept till 1:35. BT at 6:10. So it does work, but maybe after a while OT creeps in and thats what happened? Tweetie so sorry you sound so tired too.

[anna*]

How does he go down for his am nap now? You'd just put him down as normal but wake after 30-45 mins.

[Skadiver13]

He's on an A of 4hrs 30min. I thought if I did a short nap after that long of an A he'd get OT? What would my day look like? Currently he wakes between 6:15-6:45

With a CN (usually only 1-2X a week)
W: 6:30
S:11
W:12:30-1
S:4:30-5
S:7:30
Usually wakes at 5:30 I have to rock back to sleep

Without a CN
W:6:30
S:11-1 sometimes 1:30
S: Usually after an A of 4.5/5 so usually around 5:45/6
He will sometimes sleep through like he did last night 6:10-6:25 Or he'll wake around 4am I have to shush him back and he sleeps again till around 6.

[anna*]

He will if you attempt a normal A time after a short nap but if you keep the A short he should be ok. Although tbh I he's doing 4.5 hrs A if it were me I'd just make the switch to one nap and hope that the nap lengthens out a bit.

[Skadiver13]

Argh.. That's what I thought. I thought maybe his A's were too long but I'm not getting any OT naps? They are usually 1hr20-2.5hrs. More often 2hrs. I didn't think an 11month old (and he's been doing this for 2/3 weeks now) could do such a long A. He jumped from 3hrs 45min to 4hrs 15 rather quickly and I pushed it in the past week to 4hrs 30min because I was getting 1hr15/20min naps.