Author Topic: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing  (Read 5534 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« on: December 27, 2012, 02:04:18 am »
Hello ladies,

Quick question, is it necessary to switch to a Step 2 (6 - 18 month) formula or does it really matter?  I got some of the Step 2 and DS likes it fine, and I figured it would be better because he is low on the weight scale and the step 2 has more iron in it.  Just curious if it really matters or not?

Also, I use the Playtex drop-ins so his actual bottles don't need to be sterilized because the drop-in bags come pre-sterilized, but I still sterilize the nipples.  He is 8 months now - is it necessary to still sterilize the nipples?  He is fully crawling and (as you know) puts everything in his mouth.  It seems kind of pointless.  I don't mind doing it - it literally takes 5 mins, I was just thinking that at this point a good wash in hot soapy water might suffice.

Thanks!



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 04:22:06 am »
Hey Lindsay - I live in Canada as well and have actually never sterilized bottles or nipples - bad mommy!

That said, here is a link to the WHO current guidelines for powdered formula prep and sterilising of bottle and nipples-

http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications/micro/pif2007/en/index.html

The WHO do recommend sterilising though so best to read all your info and guidelines and make your own decision.


And as for the stage 2 formula - not needed at all.  It has double the iron and double the calcium when compared to a stage 1... neither of these two things will put weight on him ;)  Balanced diet should be starting now... so start with trying to have a variety of foods at each meal if you aren't already :)
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 22:44:43 pm by Shiv52 »



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 14:26:39 pm »
Okay, I figured that hot soapy water would suffice now that everything goes in the mouth :)

As for the formula, he is doing fine with the stage 2 so I think I'll stick with it, even though it doesn't matter.  As for diet, he is eating 3 meals a day of fruits, veggies, meat (chicken & beef), and a little cereal with breakfast.  I am thinking of starting more finger foods this week, or rather finely chopped foods to get him used to more textures :)



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 23:32:40 pm »
Sounds good to me!  Just be careful with Stage 2 if he is eating a good balanced diet... could be too much iron and he will get backed up!  One serving of meat a day (about an ounce) is enough to meet his iron reqs for the day.  If he is eating baby cereal, it's also fortified... I know that Heinz brand has 100% of iron needs in 1/3 cup ;)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 01:19:56 am »
Okay, I'll make sure to watch his poops :P

I don't necessarily give meat every day, usually every other day and only with dinner.  I make the meat into stews where I cook it together with veggies so it balances and I only give 1 cube which I think is about an ounce, so I think he is okay in that dept :)  As for the cereal, it is with breakfast and only about 2 tbls.  I try to give him lots of fruit for breakfast first and I give the cereal after the fruit.  I think I have the Nestle/Gerber brand so I am not sure of the iron content in it?

My doctor had actually told me to give cereal and meat twice a day!  I think she's bonkers :P



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 01:26:12 am »
I also tried going to 3 bottles today, his first was about 7oz, but he only took 6oz for his second, and 8oz at BT.  I was worried about the gap between bottle #2 and #3 because he only took 6oz, but I think I may have given the 2nd bottle too soon after lunch.  I think it might take him a few days to get used to it and then perhaps he will increase all to 7-8oz for each feed.  I also think I should switch from medium flow to fast flow nipples and it will help him take an 8oz bottle faster and he won't get bored along the way.

He still usually takes a NF too, but I only give 5oz.  He did STTN twice this week so didn't get NFs on those nights.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 04:54:32 am »
My doctor had actually told me to give cereal and meat twice a day!  I think she's bonkers

I agree with you ;) 

You could intro some pasta/rice though... I used to buy a tiny pasta like stars or little dot type ones to add to purees for texture around this age... lentils are easy to add in too!  Walmart sells a pasta for babies in the baby food aisle - it's more fortified that standard pasta.  I can't remember the brand but the box is blue and it has a baby on it :)

As for formula intake, as long as he stays above 20 ozs, you are fine ;)  I used to give first bottle at wake up... then second one about 10 mins before PM nap, and then last at BT :)  The second one was generally about 2.5 hrs after lunch.

Gerber/Nestle cereals are also fortified with 100% of daily iron needs - they measure a serving in tablespoons.  A serving is 5 tbsp... same as 1/3 cup ;)

If he STTN a couple times, I would think about maybe actively weaning the NF too :)  Reduce to 4 ozs...



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 16:17:21 pm »
As for formula intake, as long as he stays above 20 ozs, you are fine
Okay, good to know! The drop from 4 bottles to 3 freaks me out a little.  It seems like such a long time in between!  He usually wakes up around 6:30am and takes a 1.5hr nap around 9:30am, so if his second bottle was right before his PM nap at  around 2pm, it would be about 7 hours between bottles.  Does that seem right!?  It seems long to me.  That said, I think the 3 bottles worked out well for us yesterday because he took 8oz before bed and STTN from 7:30pm - 6:30am :)

Thanks for the tip about the pasta and rice, I'm going to try it!  Up until now he's had mostly purées, but I think he's okay to try chunkier things - I have to make some more fruit today so I am just going to try mashing it instead of blending.  Time to retire the baby bullet!   I gave him a few small pieces of cheese last night to try and he liked it and didn't have any issues with swallowing.

If he STTN a couple times, I would think about maybe actively weaning the NF too   Reduce to 4 ozs...
Will do!  I wasn't entirely sure if it was something I should be weaning or if he would do it on his own.  But up until this week he was still waking once, but now that he has STTN 3 times this week I'll be sure to start actively reducing the NF if he does wake.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 05:10:33 am »
For sure you can start to wean the NF at this age - he is eating well so it's fine to try... he will either keep waking (and you have to feed) or he will shift the calories to daytime and STTN ;)

He usually wakes up around 6:30am and takes a 1.5hr nap around 9:30am, so if his second bottle was right before his PM nap at  around 2pm, it would be about 7 hours between bottles.  Does that seem right!?  It seems long to me.

We were much the same :)  First bottle was generally around 630/7am and second at 2/230pm.. BT bottle at 745pm :)  At this age, I was giving 8 ozs at wake up, 8 ozs at nap and 8.5ozs at BT.  She had a sippy of water at all times during the day...



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2012, 00:17:14 am »
The last 2 nights have been crazy.  I'm sure it's teething, but his naps have gone to complete hell, and his nights...don't even get me started!  2 nights ago I ended up feeding twice, once at 1am for a 5oz feed, and then he woke at 4am screaming bloody murder.  He screamed for an hour and a half until I finally decided to feed him again and he took an additional 6oz then finally fell asleep.  Growth spurt?  Seems like an odd time for that, or maybe just not reacting well to 3 bottles instead of 4?  Last night he woke at 12:45am and I settled him back to sleep, but he woke again about an hour later so I fed 5oz.  He then woke every 1.5 - 2hrs for the rest of the night.

To top it off, on Saturday morning he woke up absolutely covered in a red rash all over his tummy and back.  I was not sure if it was related to the Stage 2 formula as he had only been on it for about 2 days, so I switched him back to the Stage 1 immediately.  I wouldn't think that a formula switch would do that, but I certainly am not an expert in these things, so I just went back to what we knew.  The only other change was that I had given him a little bit of cheese the day before, so it could be a reaction to that.

I am a little worried that he isn't getting enough formula, I can usually get him to take 8oz at BT, and about 7oz for his wake up feed, but the middle bottle is the tricky one.  I think I am giving it to him too soon after lunch, but I'm not sure how else to space it out?

6:30am - wake up (7oz)
8am - breakfast
AM Nap - 9:30am - 10:45am

12pm - lunch
1:30pm - bottle (varies between 6 - 7oz)
PM Nap - 1:45 - 3:45 (except for the last few days, it's been closer to 1hr 15mins)

5pm - dinner
7pm - bottle (8oz)
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 00:20:55 am by Lindsay27 »



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2012, 00:24:35 am »
I recognize that he probably needs a bit of an A time increase - the 3hr A time worked really well for a good month and he was taking a 1.5hr nap in the morning and 2hrs in the afternoon like clockwork.  His wonky nights have made it difficult to extend because he is pretty tired when he gets up, but I'll need to work on it.



Offline amayzie

  • Pinterest Ninja
  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 250
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 12584
  • Location: Newcastle, Aust
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2012, 00:53:19 am »
Just wanted to say that i stopped sterilising at about that point too- i think our recommendations here are to do so till 12 months- but like you i figured everything was in the mouth- so i skipped it! BUT my guy was a biggish boy with no existing health issues- so i thought a good wash would suffice...
Katy, Mummy to Hamish!


Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2012, 04:57:16 am »
I think the A time thing might be your biggest issue right now actually... the NWing could well be OT from the short naps ;)

I would push him out to 3.5 hrs for the first one and see what happens ;)

That will push your naps later and allow his middle bottle to be a little further after lunch :)

He only needs about 20 ozs a day hun... so he is fine where he is.  Have you added in some protein and more carbs?



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2012, 16:53:18 pm »
I know, I think I am getting overly paranoid about his formula intake, when in reality he is getting enough.

I tried pushing his A time this morning by about 20/25mins - he fell asleep for his AM nap within about 30 seconds (literally), but he woke after 30mins but I was able to settle him easily and he's been down for another 1.15hr and is still sleeping.  So maybe it will just take a few days to adjust to the new A time?

In terms of protein and carbs, I have added in rice and I got the dot pasta you were talking about, but it's yet to make its way into a meal  :-\  It's just been so crazy with the holiday's, parties, family visits, and bad naps that I haven't had much time to make some good meals for him other than fruits, veggies, and stews.  For protein, what do you recommend?  Lentils, beans - that sort of thing?  I saw a great black bean purée recipe with onions, garlic, broth, and a few light spices - it said that black beans mix easily with avocado (which he loves), carrots, sweet potato, so I am going to make that this week.  I added in broccoli yesterday for the first time which I was worried about him liking, but I mixed it with carrots and he enjoyed it :) 



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2013, 05:54:53 am »
For protein, I found that the easiest thing was quinoa!  You cook it like rice but it contains complete protein!  Super little too so it would be great for adding a bit of texture to his purees.  Other than that, DD loves cheese and yogurt so those were good protein too.  Greek yogurt has a tonne of protein as well.

For veggie mixtures - DD loved broccoli/zucchini together!  Or carrot and zucchini...



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2013, 13:29:05 pm »
Okay, his rash has cleared now so I can try the cheese again, and if the rash comes back, I'll know that's what caused it.  I never thought of quinoa.  He is not liking the new textures so much, it's really frustrating for both of us.  I'll just have to keep at it.  I gave him some cheerios the other day though and now he's a cheerio fiend, I'm pretty sure he's addicted.

In terms of the A times, I kept him at 3hrs 20mins yesterday and he did much better - a 2.5hr AM nap and a 2hr PM nap, so that amount of A time seems to be working for now :)



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2013, 22:55:45 pm »
Great news about the A time and the naps!  I would just be careful with that much day sleep!  You could end up with awful nights from being UT... Most babies are max 3.5 hrs at this age for both naps together.  Mine was at a total of 3 hrs.

DD was never really a big fan of lumpy purees either... and in reality, what do you eat that is that texture?  If he isn't liking them, don't worry too much.  I started doing little cubes of well steamed veggies and fruits at this age... also sliced bananas and so many Cheerios ;)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2013, 23:09:30 pm »
His night was okay with that much daytime sleep, 1 NW at 4am and he settled back to sleep until 6:30am, but the long naps was probably more because the night before was NYE and we were at a party with him and had to wake him up at 1am to go home...so he was pretty tired from that so I had no issues with him having long naps yesterday.  (Especially because Mommy & Daddy had a nice long nap too!) :P

Today he did 1hr 20min in the AM and had a 30min OT nap in the PM (I missed the boat on getting him down on time), so I resettled him, but I ended up having to wake him up later because I didn't want him sleeping too much  ::)

I was making lasagna today so I tried making some pasta with the meat sauce for him.  I blended it up but it was still a bit chunky because pasta doesn't exact blend well, and he did great with it.  I think the cheerios is actually helping get him used to the textures.  Going to try to add more finger foods.  I also got the greek yogurt and ended up eating literally half the tub myself it was so good :)  We are going to try it for breakfast with fruit tomorrow.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2013, 23:19:40 pm »
LOL!  My mom swears that Liberte brand coconut greek yogurt is like heaven in a tub ;)




Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2013, 01:05:31 am »
That's the brand I got!  But I got the vanilla one.  DH came home and I was just attacking it with a spoon out of the container LOL.  If Ben doesn't like it, it certainly won't go to waste that's for sure :P

I actually had a question about yogurt in general, I was standing in the grocery store wondering...do I buy the low fat, no fat, full fat (2%)?  I got the 2% one because I figured I shouldn't be buying any no fat stuff for a baby.  (I am obviously capitalizing on this philosophy LOL!)



Offline Lolly

  • Bottle Feeding, Discipline and Socialization
  • Moderator
  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 318
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11227
  • Location: Neath, South Wales
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2013, 11:49:39 am »
They need full fat dairy products and milk once they switch to cow's milk as a drink at 1 until they are 2 at least. UK guidlines say you can drop to semi-skimmed (in between full fat and fat free) at 2 if they have a good balanced diet but otherwise it's full fat all the way!

Check the labels though because some yoghurts have a lot of sugar in them (especially the ones aimed at children here ::)) so you want to get one with as much fat and as little added sugar as possible!

Laura


Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2013, 13:38:08 pm »
Okay, I figured as much :)

Questions about the NF - since I switched to 3 bottles he hasn't STTN at all (though he only did a few times before when he took 4 daytime bottles) and is usually waking at least once - I have dropped the NF down to 4oz.  Last night he took an 8oz bottle before bed at about 7:30pm and he woke at 11:30pm.  I figured since he took a full feed before bed, that the waking wasn't due to hunger, so I settled him.  An hour later, he was up again, so I settled again.  Another hour later (about 1:45am) he woke again, so I fed the 4oz.  After he ate he slept until 7am. 

This morning however, I tried to feed him his breakfast bottle at about 8am, and I couldn't get him to take more than 4oz.  So I am not sure what to do? 




Offline Lolly

  • Bottle Feeding, Discipline and Socialization
  • Moderator
  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 318
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11227
  • Location: Neath, South Wales
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2013, 13:46:19 pm »
You can wean that night bottle by dropping an oz every 3 nights then you offer water when the bottle gets down to 1 or 2 oz. He may have been tirsty when he woke before midnight so you can offer a drink of water and see if he settles better first!

Laura


Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 22:27:31 pm »
I buy the Lil'Ones yogurt here in Canada.  It's 3.25% fat (same as homogenized milk) and sweetened with fruit juice, not added sugar.  There are no lumps either so no worries about choking on a random chunk of fruit.  And, there is a veggie/fruit blend version too!

http://www.lilones.ca/



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2013, 14:03:02 pm »
I'll check for those yogurt's Kara, thanks :)  I live in a really small town, so our grocery stores don't carry the same level of items as they do in the city...but I"ll look!

We are really struggling with his bottles.  Yesterday for his morning bottle he only took 4oz (which I suspect was maybe due to the NF?), and for his second bottle he only took 5oz, and 7oz at bedtime - so a total of 16oz  :o  He hardly ate any lunch yesterday either, so why he only took 5oz for the second is a mystery to me.  This morning I reduced his breakfast down because I suspect that he maybe ate too much for breakfast yesterday and that's why he didn't want his lunch.

He woke up around midnight and I just went ahead and fed him, because he ate so little during the day, and I fed 6oz because I honestly felt like he needed it.  This morning he took 5oz when he woke up - so he would pretty much need the next 2 bottles to each be 7 - 8oz in order to meet his daily requirement, and I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that because the intake has been so low. 



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2013, 15:56:21 pm »
How much is he eating in terms of solids hun and what is he eating at each meal?  I can't imagine that a big breakkie with a few hours after it would really interfere much with lunch.

Maybe we do need to drop solids a bit to get that milk intake back up.

The yogurt is made by Dairyland so anyone who carries the brand should be able to order it for you :)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2013, 17:06:24 pm »
Yesterday I gave him quite a big breakfast, probably more than normal which is why I suspected he avoided lunch.  Also, introducing the new textured/lumpy foods isn't going particularly well, so I think that had something to do with the non-lunch too...once he decides he doesn't want to eat it, he doesn't want to eat anything (except cheerios :P).  I think I am going to try to start doing a mix of his usual smooth purees and finger foods and get a best of both worlds scenerio, because the lumpy stuff just isn't working at all.

I reduced his breakfast this morning to 2 cubes of fruit  and about 1.5 tbls of cereal mixed with a few baby spoonfuls of greek yogurt.  I'm going to feed him lunch shortly and I'm just going to stick with something he really likes and maybe do 2 cubes veggies, 1 fruit...which is what I always used to do.  Now that I am thinking about it I have been increasing his solid intake, and he probably just isn't ready for it yet.  I'll see what happens with bottle #2 after going back to less solids. 

I see how much my friends feed their LOs and it gets me freaked out that I don't feed enough solids as they are taking probably double or triple what Ben is.  But, I probably shouldn't be thinking that way and what is important is what is right for him :)



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2013, 20:37:44 pm »
Does he have solids at lunch and dinner as well?

The fruits/veggies are a good idea - will satisfy him but not overfill him for too long :)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2013, 00:54:00 am »
Yes, solids at lunch and at dinner.

His bottle #2 was better today - just a few sips under 8oz, but his BT bottle was worse...only 6oz  :-\  His BT bottle is usually his best, and I reduced his dinner tonight and somehow he ate less at BT?  I'm confused  ???



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2013, 04:08:01 am »
I wouldn't read too much into his dinner/BT bottle :)  It used to make me panic when DD did that on occasion cause I worried she would wake overnight to eat.  At this age, they won't generally wake from hunger, rather wake up and realize they are hungry and a shortage of about 2 ozs won't be enough to pull him from a good sleep to request food.

How much is he taking for lunch and dinner?



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2013, 14:23:56 pm »
I think I get paranoid a little too quickly LOL.  He slept last night from 7:30pm - 3am and I fed 4oz, then he slept until 7am. I probably should have just tried settling him back to sleep because I waited until 8:30am to feed him this morning, and he still only took 4oz - NF always messes up the AM bottle, especially when it is so late in the night.

Yesterday for lunch I fed 2 cubes of sweet potatoes and 1 cube of fruit, and for dinner 2 cubes of carrots & broccoli, 1 cube of beef stew, and 1 of fruit.  He had some cheerios and a bit of a muffin I baked yesterday after dinner.  I usually feed a bit more for dinner and he does fine with his BT bottle, so I will probably go back to that tonight.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2013, 22:57:37 pm »
Sounds like a good plan ;)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2013, 01:18:54 am »
We are still having a hard time getting 20oz into him during the day.  Overall I think he reaches that point with the NF, but not with only daytime feeds.  Today was 5oz, 7oz, 5oz.  I would say our daytime bottles are usually 16 - 18 oz, and then I've been trying to to reduce his NF (I did 3oz last night), but I feel guilty trying to wean the NF if he's taking so little during the day.

I am wondering if maybe I went to 3 bottles too soon?  He is a small baby, only in the 10th percentile for weight and length, so I am wondering if it is just hard for him to take an 8oz bottle all in one shot?  He seems content and happy, he's never crying because of hunger or anything, so I don't know if what we are doing is okay, or if we should try going back to 4 feeds?  I don't think he's taking too much solids either, so...hmmm.  I'm a conflicted Mama! 



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2013, 05:09:30 am »
This is one of those momma instinct things ;)  Since he is still not taking too much, I would be tempted to go back to four bottles for a few days to see if he picks up a bit, KWIM?

Maybe try 6, 6, 6, 8?



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2013, 14:05:34 pm »
I think I am going to try 4 bottles today just to see.  My problem with 4 is that because of higher A times, the last 2 are always pretty close together, so he doesn't normally end up taking a large one before bed.  In any case, I'll see how it goes.

I wasn't really counting the ounces when he was on 4 bottles, but I suspect he was taking in more than he is now.



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2013, 02:42:26 am »
So the 4 bottles today was a bust.  It was going great at first, but he completely refused the 3rd (4pm ish) bottle, so in the end he took 17oz for the day, which is no better than what we were doing with 3 bottles.

I'm really not sure what to do - I don't think his solid intake is enough to be affecting his bottles this much.  I think prior to this I wasn't counting the ounces, and he seemed to be happy and healthy so I wasn't concerned about it too much, but now that I know that he should be getting 20oz...

I mean, I guess he does get 20oz because he takes 3 or 4 at his NF, but I would rather those be during the day.  Maybe because he is small it just means that he needs those ounces in the night a little longer than others until he is able to take 3 x 8oz?  Like I said, he seems perfectly happy.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2013, 05:06:14 am »
Given that he takes it at his night feed, I wouldn't really worry right now.. some kids don't take as much as they are "supposed" to.  If he is happy, things are good.

Does he have any cheese, yogurt, etc as part of his solids?  What about cereal? 



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2013, 15:24:40 pm »
Given that he takes it at his night feed, I wouldn't really worry right now.. some kids don't take as much as they are "supposed" to.  If he is happy, things are good.
This is pretty well the conclusion I've come to.  There is not much else I can do at this point, and he's still happy and gaining weight.

I do give him water in a sippy cup with lunch and dinner - he doesn't take much, a few sips here and there, and certainly not enough to affect his formula intake, but my mom suggested putting formula in it instead of water to try to get a little more into him.  I'm not sure if it's worth it?

He gets cereal with breakfast, about 1.5 tbls, I've given yogurt a few times, but no more than maybe 2 or 3 times a week and only with 1 meal (breakfast or lunch).  I've given cheese twice, both times he was up all night, so we cut that out.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2013, 17:51:15 pm »
I would follow mom's advice ;)



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2013, 18:50:12 pm »
Okay sounds good :)  At least it would be adding a little something, and at this age I don't think not having water is an issue.  Thanks!



Offline Lindsay27

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 78
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4031
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2013, 19:16:56 pm »
Last question, I was getting formula today and we have been using the Enfamil formula, first the Enfamil Gentlease A+ and now Enfapro A+ (6 - 18months).  I noticed that the difference between the A+ line and the regular Enfapro is that the A+ has DHA (Omega 3 & 6) in it.  Is this something that is necessary in a formula?  I mean, I understand that it is beneficial, but not sure if it is necessary?  I've always gotten the A+ stuff, and this sounds horrible, but the regular Enfapro is half the price! 

He has his 9 month appt next week so I can talk to his doctor about it too.



Offline *Kara*

  • Resident BW Chatterbox!
  • *****
  • Showing Appreciation 184
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 11802
  • So little!
  • Location: BC, Canada
Re: Switching to Step 2 and Sterilizing
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2013, 21:56:48 pm »
Not at all needed.  All formulas sold in Canada have to meet the same regulations.  I bought the omega added GoodStart for a few months then actually discovered it was causing a bit of tummy upset for DD.. did some Googling and found that it can be a little harder to digest so I stopped buying it :)

I always offered a sippy of water throughout the whole day to encourage DD to use it and like water ;)