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18 month old, not sure what is up.
« on: January 04, 2013, 03:17:39 am »
Little miss Emily somehow has managed to become 18 months old  :o :'( :D Her sleep however, didn't get the memo and still thinks shes 2 months old :P

So where to begin? Most of this is my fault and likely some props to break. But I need opinions on how to go forward with that along with making sure her routine is in good order. So here we go. She has reflux which may or may not be controlled :P She cannot tolerate any dairy and she can tolerate some soy but doesn't tolerate some also. She is teething but only has four teeth so this is going to be ongoing. She drinks HAF from a bottle still and will not give it up no matter what I do and  :-[ :-[ :-[ as of October, still has two bottles at night  :-[ :-[ :-[ She was completely weaned off NFs and reflux meds over the summer but then her reflux came back and I pulled out any tricks I had to get a bit of sleep. Now I am getting even less sleep and this needs to change!

She wants a bottle starting at abut 10pm which is crazy but she is so insanely stubborn. Screams murder and is inconsolable. Nothing I do can stop the screaming (other then give a bottle of course). It's so much worse now though because she is talking and telling me she wants a bottle. And then getting so furious at me when I say no its bed time. What's the best way to wean the bottle? I thought getting rid of the bottle itself would help. Drinking milk out of a cup isn't so soothing right? But she will not touch the stuff unless its in a bottle and the paed insists she needs it still. Does cutting down ounces in the bottle work at this age? Or is it best just to wean cold turkey and deal with the heart breaking drama?

Her routine is something like this:

Wake: 6am
Nap: 12-2 or 2:30
BT: 6:30pm

Today looked like this ( after hours of screaming for a bottle in the middle of the night)

Wake:7:20
Nap: 12:30-2:50
BT: 7pm

Is she getting too much daytime sleep? We have been getting terrible EWings (4:45am) for several days. For pretty much the whole month of December she was waking at 5am. It's just a mess! She falls asleep independently. Hates when I interfere or rub her back or look at her or even senses my presence. She very angrily points to the door at says bye bye. But she wakes up 3 or 4 times a night starting at about 9pm. Oh and she tells me when she wants to go for a nap and go to bed. When she's tired, she says night night and goes into her room and tries to climb into her crib. Falls asleep straight away.

So what can I do? I'm tired of assuming teething, reflux or allergies. I just want some sleep. I *know* the bottle is definitely some of our problem. Absolutely so that needs to go.

Any suggestions?



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 03:23:52 am »
Re NF: Cutting ounces in the night bottles would be the best way to eliminate them.  Just be sure to up the ounces during the day so she isnt' missing out.  Once she is only getting a 1-2 ounces then cut it cold Turkey as you know for sure it's just comfort feeding then.
 
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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 04:26:11 am »
Hon, we had habitual wakings wanting milk (not waking hungry, just wanting milk to warm up, feel close to me, have a drink, whatever but never fed back to sleep) and the first was almost always bang on 3hr after falling asleep for the night, W2S 2hr after falling asleep has cut out wakings to one :) and I'm about to start dropping that one too. WDYT? OT was and remains the actual reason for the wakings...

We also pushed the nap later which has helped. I was doing it at 12 (expecting a 7am WU but never getting it) and shifted to 12:30 and we're on the way to 1pm, so we get a longer AM A time and a shorter PM A time.

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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 05:23:10 am »
Sounds like it could be that dreaded 18 month regression ;)



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 03:29:18 am »
Thanks Deb. I tried cutting ounces out of the bottle last night. She screamed as soon as it was done and eventually went back to sleep. However, she woke up every 45 minutes all night long until 4:30am when I finally caved and gave her a full bottle. She slept until 8 after that. She was really tired all day. I obviously know that it won't happen over night.

I will give w2s a try also. I never really thought of using it to cut out a NF. Could definitely work.

WRT the 18 month sleep regression...ugh! If this was new I would think that. I don't think that's the main problem but likely playing into it ::)

So today went:

Wake: 8am (after terrible NWings)
S: 12:30-2:30
BT: 7pm

I wanted to do a later BT but she was so tired and asking to go to bed.

How long should a nap be at this age? Some days she's naps for so long that I wonder if that's half our problem at night. Do you think she is getting too much daytime sleep?



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 03:51:14 am »
I don't think she is getting too much day sleep for her age Jenn.  DD is low sleep needs (and always has been) and I am just reducing her from 2 hrs down to 1 hr 30/45 mins now at almost 26 months.  We did have a good run right after we got through the 18m regression (and one just before it) of 11 hr nights (but up to 11 hrs 30) with a 2 hr capped nap.

We did this:

Wake 630am
Nap 1230-230pm
BT 730pm.

It all went really well for quite a few months (with the darn 18m fiasco in the middle of it all).  Even when things did get wonky, it was more a need to push her 2 hr nap a touch later and keep all else the same.

That said, it might be that you need to set nap and BT for a week to reset her and get rid of the NWing. 

As for the bottle aspect - oh boy.  My 2 yr old still has 2 bottles a day (nap and BT) and I am utterly terrified of taking them away (she is suffering casein intolerance so no cow's milk but is fine with all other dairy).  She won't take formula from her sippy either.  So stubborn.  When I did wean a night feed with DD as it was effecting her first feed of the day, I did the dropping ounces thing too.. and DD screamed at me for the first couple of nights then realized things weren't going to change so she actually stopped waking when I got to 3 ozs (we were only doing a 6 oz NF to begin with).

Hugs hun... these toddlers can be tricky!



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 02:57:40 am »
Thank you Kara, that is super helpful. I think she is just getting sick or something at this point...she was a mess all day today and has woken up about 5 times in the hour she has been asleep ::) She has a touch of a fever. Ahh well.



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 03:03:45 am »
Hugs Hun.
I agree with trying w2s if its habit not hunger, but milk is what she needs to get back to sleep this 'could work' nothing to loose right ;)
The sleep reg won't be helping ::) :(
Also think her routine looks fine - ours was always similar to karas ;)

I truly think though, and as your last post mentions, waking that often at night ie 45 mins is always pain :-\ are you medicating for those teeth?
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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 03:07:02 am »
Yes we have been medicating this poor little Missy more then I would like to admit. Her reflux is probably acting up again also given all these teeth wanting to come in. I guess I'll sleep when she is a teenager.. ::) ::)



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Re: 18 month old, not sure what is up.
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 03:10:18 am »
:-* hugs, poor wee poppet.
If you think she 'needs' the feed because she isn't eating much with the teething and reflux (and this would only be a temp measure) you could try a DF 30 mins before she is waking for the bottle :-\ cheeky I know but if it means you get a bit more sleep,and she maybe will sleep more soundly till early am then it could be a good temp measure to just get through so you get some more sleep YK?
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