Early AM crib partys are back

[Skadiver13]

Hi all, it's been a week or so since we posted last, unforutnetely it's not because things were going well it's because we were all sick. Liam has gotten over his ear infection and cold so I'm back to working on his easy. 
The past few days he's been doing short naps Most 1hr and 15/20min naps some 35 with resettling he'll sleep through to1.5hrs.But sometimes he'll do a 2hr nap so I don't know.  Last two nights he's had a hard time going bsck to sleep after his bottle. Last night was the worst took an hour. I don't think it was OT? Here was our EASY yesterday

W: he woke at 5:20, I tried to resettle he woke again at 5:45 I rocked him till 6:00
E: 6:30
S: I told my husband to put him down at 9:45. Trying to stretch his A from 3.5 to 3.75 hours on the first nap. He didn't go down till 9:50 because of the constant rolling etc and my husband just insn't great at settling.
He woke after 35min crying which would indicate OT, got him to resettle in 10min slept till 11:30 woke happy.
E:11:45
A:
S:He was acting super tired at 3hrs so I tried following his lead and put him down at 3hrs 20min and he slept 1hr 20min from 2:50-4:10.
E:4:15
A:
E:6:30
S: The babysitter said he was conked out at 7:05 on her shoulder as he finished burping which to me would indicate OT as that never happens.
He slept through till 4:15 woke I fed him but he wasn't really interested in eating but was wide awake, eyes open chatty Cathy. I rocked him a bit to get him drowsy but when I put him down he started the whole rolling thing again talking chatting, cooing and then finally crying. Finally I got him to sleep at 5:15 and he woke promptly at 6:15. That was basically a 10hr night so not sure what time I should shoot for. If I should try again for 3hr 45min because the day made him UT or if that was because he was OT?

I thin his teeth could be at work as the front two have popped through but he still seems bothered a bit by them.

[Skadiver13]

So since he woke for the day at 6:15 i thought I'd try 10 for his nap. He seemed so tired so i put him down at 9:50 and he fell asleep after some crying and sh/pat at 9:53. Woke at 11:17 making it a short nap. So I think i do need to push that A out. What should I do for the second A given it was a short nap of 1hr and 24 min! What a weird time.

[Skadiver13]

Well that was a nightmare. I thought since it was only a short nap by like 5 min I'd still try to push the A time. He fought the nap till an A of 3hrs 50 min and woke after 30min. Took me 35min of pupd to get him back to sleep. I dont know what to do at this point.

[Ima shel Alon]

What should I do for the second A given it was a short nap of 1hr and 24 min!

That would be a full nap.  I think that his sleep is very light in the last stage and is easier to WU before it's 1.5h on the clock. My DS was the same.

His A is very very high, I would defo not go higher than what he is doing right now. If you have a look here: chronological EASY samples, 7-9 months you'll see that most babies his age are doing around 3h A time. If 3.5h A time has given you good naps before then I would stick with that.
It could be that his second A needs to be either the same or shorter than that (sounds like he is getting very tired by the end of the day) so I would try maybe 3:15h A before the second nap.

Could the NW be due to OS and not OT or UT?
If teeth are playing then you'd need to wait till it settles. One can't tweak A when LO is in discomfort.

[Skadiver13]

The thing is the A of 3.5 is giving us 1hr 10 min naps as well? I don't think it's really teeth to be honest.  I think he does need a short A timer in the afternoon and even shorter before bed. So last night I woke him from the second nap at 4:30 put him to bed conked out at 7:15. Woke at 2:30 ate and went right back to sleep. Woke at 5:30 chatty cathy. I rocked him till 6:15 put him down he slept till 6:35. He's always been a very high A needs baby but he is definitely tired by the end of the night. I don't now how it could be OS? What would cause that?

[Skadiver13]

So his first A was 3hrs 30 min got us a 1hr 24 min nap. 2nd A was 3hr20 min got us a 47 min nap,  I'm rocking him now as I am sick and don't have the energy for pupd, bur he did go back to sleep after only a few min. I'll rock till 415 then wake him,

[Ima shel Alon]

I don't now how it could be OS? What would cause that?

People around, lots of activity, battery toys, music close to BT, TV, lots of things can be stimulating during the day and cause OS NW.

Woke at 2:30 ate and went right back to sleep. Woke at 5:30 chatty cathy.

If I remember right this EW has been happening for a long time now, right? Have you tried W2S?

Maybe he needed 3:30h A for the second A as well?

[Skadiver13]

Well yes but it had gone away for a while, mostly when he was sick. There were a few good nights though that he woke slightly at like 4:30 but a quick paqt to the but and off he went till 6. You know it's hard to know with him I feel like I'm always chasing A times and I have no idea how to solve that 5:30 waking. I don't think he was OS, we didn't have anyone over the house yesterday it was just me and him. I take all toys with light etc. away from him 30min before each nap and before BT. He does get a bath every night which he loves. Could that cause an early wake up at 5:30?

[Ima shel Alon]

No, I don't think the bath is a problem, it's actually relaxing for most babies.

This is just a though, but bare with me for a moment.
You say that you feel like you are chasing A times all the time, and it's true - babies A times change and needs tweaking now and then, but I am thinking that because you see no results for such a long time perhaps there is something else. Do you think that maybe it's better to just stick to what you are doing now for a while, for a few weeks? It will take the pressure off chasing the A and will give him time to settle into the A times he is doing now, which seem to be age appropriate.
Maybe the constant changes in the A is too much for him?

[Skadiver13]

Ok, he LOVES the bath, he splashes and plays and it's so cute. I guess his A time changed so quickly from 3hrs to 3hrs 15min to 3hrs 30 min over the course of only a few weeks I got frustrated. But it looks like 3hrs 30min is good for now so I think I'll stick with that for the first A time. If he seems to be super tired for the second A I'll cut eback to 3hrs 15min but will stick with 3hrs 30min if he seems to be ok. Then I think 3hrs before BT is a good idea to keep him from being OT?

Yesterday was an ok day.
Woke at 6:30
first nap was 10-11:24
Second naps was 2:50 woke afeter 47 min. I rocked till 4:15.
Sleep at 7:15
Woke at 4:10am ate but took a bit to go back to sleep (about 440)
Woke at 6:20 so that was good.

Today sleep at 9:44 (put down a little early by accident) So we'll see what we get but it's 10:50 so so far so good.

Thanks for your help. I think you are right and he just sleeps so light at the end thta he wakes early, for naps and in the AM unless he's really tired enough to sleep through like this morning.

[Skadiver13]

Ok well he woke after 1hr 18min so that's a short nap I would think. ARGH... I didn't think 6 min would make that much of a difference in A time but apparently it did.

[Ima shel Alon]

But it looks like 3hrs 30min is good for now so I think I'll stick with that for the first A time. If he seems to be super tired for the second A I'll cut eback to 3hrs 15min but will stick with 3hrs 30min if he seems to be ok. Then I think 3hrs before BT is a good idea to keep him from being OT?

That sounds like a very good plan to me.
And yes, 5min can also make a difference . But 1:20h is still ok nap.

[Skadiver13]

ok

[Skadiver13]

Ok, so naps have worked themselves out but the long NW didn't.  So yesterday he woke at 6:15, I ended up putting him down at 9:30 by accident  I just  miscalculated his time but he did 1hr 30min. I think he was tired enough from the NW to do a full nap. Did a second A of 3hrs 30min and got a 1hr 25min nap which brought us to 4:00 like normal. Went to put him down at 7:10 for a 7:15 BT and he got super hyper, flapping arms slamming legs etc. No change in our wind down or anything from the day to make him OS that I can think of. He ended up going to bed at 7:30 with some shush/pat from me finally. He woke at 9pm screaming which he hasnt' done in ages. Quick pick up and shush/rock and he was out in 1min. Slept till 1:30 and woke up. Went to feed but fussed and pushed the bottle away. ended up giving him a few min and he finally ate. Went right back to sleep. Woke at 4:30 chatting rolling and laughing. I left him until he started to whine at 5am. Went in shush/pat for a few min and he slept till 6:30. Not sure what that's all about.

[*Ali*]

Do you think the rocking and your help generally is becoming a prop? I'm wondering if working towards independent sleep more would help.