Support for dropping the nap part 9.

[*Kara*]

I want to throttle your neighbours for you 

I know right.  They have been spoken to more than once about it!  GRRR.  All the noise seems to have subsided now and not a peep from wee miss!  Phew!

It's only 3pm here now, bubs is still sleeping.  She's been out for about 50 mins now..  I did 5 days with 90 min naps and her attitude never improved - she would cry and be super clingy for a good 45 mins each day.. awful   Before this all went haywire, she was up around 7am, napped 2-345pm, then BT at 8pm without a peep.

The 1 hr 45 min nap seems like it could be the least she can manage with.. she will do a shorter A to bedtime in the PM, but the above was causing restlessness until 830/845pm which is what made me cut the nap down to 90 mins to start with... ugh.

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs kara.
Hope 7 hrs works we have the nap between 1.30/2 here as well ATM and it works well. Z is always a bear on waking but that's not unusual for us lol

Do you think 1sleep cycle would work better for her, so she is not in deep sleep when woken? Hard to get the timing right though I know!

We had another no nap day today. Z slept in till 8.15am so that helped. BT was 6pm and he was a star. We kept him busy till 4 then quiet time on couch till 5/5.15. Long bath, few stories and bed. We're doing this 1 day a week as long as he copes ok, and hope it helps keep the rest of the week on track.

Got to say I love it that we can have a full day with him. DH and I take turns ie today was the beach and DH just took T home when he napped then came back out (we're 5 mins from beach)

[Truly Blessed]

Do you think 1sleep cycle would work better for her, so she is not in deep sleep when woken?

I 2nd this ^ Hun. Sam is better with 1 sleep cycle than an even longer nap, if you could be there and watch for her coming into that light sleep, it could work.

(Hugs) Sara, I hope Thomas is doing okay now and that things are getting a little easier for you all 

x.

[ZacsMumme]

Speaking of which, do you ladies know what 1 sleep cycle is at this age 1hr 15?

Thanks for asking vicki T is doing so much better. Even started sleep training (gentle. And into cot awake really) tbh the solids are really helping the reflux which I didn't think would be the case. Have a few tummy issues and constipation but overall things are a lot better and he is such a joy to be around.

[creations]

Sara, I think sleep cycles can vary a little from LO to LO but roughly yes 1hr 15.  DS's is 1hr 20, I hear him transition if he sleeps longer and he will also take nap this length if UT or has teething pain.

I thought things were going pretty smoothly here, no OT NWs on no nap days with EBT and morning WU staying regular.  Until this morning when he woke around/before 5.30am UT from yesterdays nap.  I think I'll just deal with the randomness and early mornings until clocks change in a few weeks (which should make that a 6.30am WU although DS usually goes the wrong way on clock change!) and then see what needs a tweak.

[clairebear79]

Kara how did it go? I know i've said before, but i find O still needs a nap every few days & that nap has to be long! If i can get him down at 1.30/2 i'll let him sleep til 4pm, he's usually in a decent mood upon waking & goes straight to sleep at 8pm. It would not be like that if he napped every single day but because he doesn't, he really needs that long nap every few days to keep ontop of OT. So iiwy i'd risk letting her sleep a bit longer rather than limiting nap to 1hr. Obv this doesnt work for all but it makes such a difference for o i thought i'd mention it.x

[Truly Blessed]

Speaking of which, do you ladies know what 1 sleep cycle is at this age  1hr 15?

It's wierd, but I think Sam's stayed at 45 mins for much longer than everyone said. I would watch him and he would come into a light sleep/turn over etc every time, so I guess it's a matter of watching him Hun.

So happy for you that things are better with T  I can't believe he's old enough for solids already, I would have guessed he was about 3 months max  LOL. Sam was on solids just before 5 months, and he was following our plates around for 2 weeks before that LOL.

x.

[dijjibob]

Hi ladies, back again after a week if trying to work LO out.
Firstly, to answer the sleep cycle length, my LO is clearly 45 minutes still, she was more an 1.15 when she was around 18 months but seems to always transition at 45 now.
I spent a few days allowing a longer and earlier nap, she woke at 45 minutes everytime so I thought I'd stick to same 7.30 bedtime. Ews were getting earlier, she was up at 4.45 last Tuesday but still happy in nursery run.
Wednesday we had a party in late afternoon and bedtime ended up being 8pm, settled great and woke at 7am next day. Woo hoo.
So trying 7am wake up
               1.00 45 min nap
               8pm bedtime
I wonder how long I can get it to work for before have to change again.

She has always good at waking from her nap and I leave her in her cot to wake up for at least 30 minutes which I think helps.

So that's our pattern and its what I did with dd1 I don't know If it may help with other LOs.
My 3year 8 month still naps occasionally, for 30 min max. 1-0 takes forever, hope its not a tough ride for all.

[*Kara*]

Last night sucked.  She napped soundly and I woke her at 1 hr 45 mins... she was good and happy at waking!  She slept until 350pm... PD for bed at 8pm and she faffed about but was quiet until 845pm.  Slept fine all night but woke crying at 610am... she's fine this morning but tired.

Her sleep cycle is 1 hr 5 mins - crabby as heck if I wake her then though...

We have DST today and our clocks will go ahead... I had planned to just force a no nap day so that our 645pm EBT would be 745pm new time to keep things on track.. not gonna happen now after such a short night!  Hopefully she will go for a nap fairly early though and I can control her day a bit!

I am wondering if I need to do a couple no nap days, then a nap day.. sigh.  If only there was a manual somewhere

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs kara. If you source a manual ill have a copy please

We had a 14 hr night he did have a busy day though at the beach. (Day was 8am-6pm)

I find Z sometimes stirs at the light to deep sleep transition if he is sore I daren't watch him lol, I'm not even sure when he drifts off I just kind of guess great mother I am right!


Dijjibob - great you have a routine that's working

Vicki - I know, he's huge too going to be anther 6foot + monster. Cost of groceries in 5 years time scares me

[amom526]

I need that manual as well! First time posting on this thread, I have been in denial

I feel like it was just yesterday that I was sorting out the 2-1 transition...

I am so confused. DS is 25 months. He is a VERY early riser. I think part of that is his nature, and part of it is that he is in a chronic OT/UT loop. He generally wakes between 5-6 for the day, and we have him in bed by 630-7. However, I can't remember the last time he fell asleep before 745. He begs to go into his crib for naps and BT, but just doesn't fall asleep. He just plays and plays, and is generally happy, only frustrated once in a while.

Nap time is around 12 or 1230. Some days he is out right away, other days, he may only fall asleep at 1 or 130. Lately he is not falling asleep until 2, which is an absolute disaster. I think I have realized that he is only getting tired enough to fall asleep about 8 hours after waking. So on days where he wakes at 530, the day is still manageable - he'll nap 1-230, and then fall asleep by 730/8 and be fine. I have always capped naps at 230 pm because he falls asleep so late as it is.

lately, he has been sleeping a little later in the mornings (615/630) and is not really tired enough to fall asleep until 2 pm. He falls into this super deep sleep, and when we try to wake him at 230. its like a 45 minute tantrum till he gets it together. And even with only a 30 minute nap, he STILL can't fall asleep at a normal time at night. (OT/UT)

I'm just not sure what to do. Maybe I am putting him down at the totally wrong time, but I generally aim for 6 hours after wake up to try and PD for nap. But that has not been working. Does this sound like the 2-1?

Where do I go from here? I am thinking of still trying to put down about 6 hours after WU, and if he is not asleep by 130 pm, to just take him out. Or is it better to not put down at all? Is there some sort of methodology to follow here?

We are changing the clocks tonight (1 hour forward), which does not work in our favor with naps and bedtime. I'm wondering if he wakes up late tomorrow on the new time, if I should just skip the nap and aim for a super early BT. Sorry for rambling!

[*Kara*]

^^  I think I could have written your post hun... almost an identical situation here.. I have tried capping the nap too and get the same 45 min nightmare until DD becomes a functional person after being woken.. I have also blasted through 6 no nap days in a row and had a happy well rested toddler until day 7.. things went to custard then when I tried to offer a nap to keep OT down...

I just don't know anymore....

I will be sure to get a copy of this magic baby/toddler manual out just as soon as I find it! 

I am trying to catch DD up right now and will be using DST to skip a nap and get us back on track   Since clocks go forward, you can force a no nap day.. put down super early (think 630pm at the latest) and this will actually be like a 730pm bedtime.. at least in theory

[amom526]

630 new time or 630 old time? I think I will hope hope hope for a late wake up, but a late wake up for him is 630 - so 730 on the new time. Do most LO do an 11 hour day or a 12 hour day with no nap?

[ZacsMumme]

My LO does a 10 / 10.5 hr day on no nap
Amom have you tried a longer nap at 2?

[*Kara*]

630 new time or 630 old time?

630pm old time (so 730pm new time).

My DD can manage 11 -11.5 hrs on a no nap day.. and will sleep 12.5 on average.. some days only 12 hrs and some up to 13 hrs +